Chapter Three
CHAPTER THREE
THE BIG PICTURE
Thanks for the heavenly message brought by thee,
Child of the wandering sea . . .From thy dead lips a clearer note is born . . .
Trough the deep caves of thought I hear a voice that sings---
Build the more stately mansions, O my soul!
As the swift seasons roll!
Leave thy low-vaulted past!
Let each new temple, nobler than the last.
Shut thee from heaven with a dome more vast,
Till thou at length art free,
Leaving thine outgrown shell by life’s unresting sea!
Oliver Wendell Holmes
If we don’t understand or have an accurate roadmap of the terrain to orientate ourselves we are essentially lost. We have already discussed the Hawkins’ map of consciousness as one model or map of where we are and where we want to go. However what we really want to do is develop a much more comprehensive model of all of reality that not only incorporates the map of consciousness but all eternal and corporal life in general. Such a model or map to navigate our eternal evolutionary path, must I think, incorporate the evidence of reincarnation, OBE and NDE, psychoactive drugs, yoga disciplines, meditation, extraterrestrial contact and now consciousness science.
Such a comprehensive model is important for ordinary navigation in our holographic world as we travel about the country but it is also important for navigating our evolutionary process from where we are “lost” to where we want to go that brings “enlightenment”. We find ourselves “lost” in life because the model we have developed though our life is faulty and we end up where we don’t want to be, the same as if we are traveling about the country with a faulty roadmap. Therefore the solution is deprograming or deconstructing the faulty model that we have been born into through societal conditioning and indoctrination to replace it with a more adequate one.
This is a difficult process especially when we think our model is fine and that our world is just screwed up or the people in it are just wrong. It takes a lot of suffering before we stop blaming others and our external world, to begin to recognize that the problem really is within having to do with a faulty model of reality. But what seems to happen is that as we suffer, the faulty model begins to disintegrate and we often become confused and disorientated in our relation to others. There are feelings of impending death and even suicidal thoughts as we think that only death may relive us of our suffering.
It’s only after the old model has disintegrated and we have evolved a new, better model of the universe that we realize what happened and that it was not us dying but the old model. I remember very well going through this process about 45 years ago as a young man. I was around twenty at the time and I still remember a dream I had in which I reached out to the old man in the dream and when I touched him I felt sadness as he dissolved. It was the feeling of loss of an old part of me, (the familiar old model) that had to die so that a new unknown unfamiliar part could arise.
The disintegration of the old model was painful and took several years to deconstruct and it took another several years to construct the new model of reality. At this point I never looked back as I left my mental and emotional suffering behind never to return. John Lilly’s book The Human Bio-computer and the series of books by Carlos Castaneda were helpful to me during this period to break the old life model and build a new one.
In addition, the very limited and careful use of psychoactive drugs during this short period, were essential in breaking down my faulty model of reality during this difficult period. Books like The Doors of Perception by Aldous Huxley provided guidance and support in the disintegration process, while books and teaching by Yogananda and Maharishi Yoga mentored the model rebuilding process.
I believe in the 1970s I read maybe as many as a thousand books during the winter months when I was home alone at my cabin on Birdsong Plantation and not working in Alaska. Even when I was working on the Alaska Pipeline I would bring up a box of informative books every year that I would read on the job when I was not driving along with a box of the music of that period on cassette tapes.
I read as far back as Plato, the Hindu, Christian, Buddhist, Muslim scriptures, even The Egyptian and Tibetan Book of the Dead. I had the benefit of mentoring by those long dead and those still alive because this wisdom was put into writing. This understanding is a powerful driver now that I near the end of this life because I realize the benefit to others that books pass on to new generations to build upon.
All this generation of wisdom was incorporated into my new model of reality along with the study of extraterrestrial contact, NDE, OBE and reincarnational experiences that laid out the new big picture model in which to orientate myself in life. In spite of the hardship and chaos of our historical period, it is possible to gather to one’s self wisdom and knowledge today that would be impossible to gain in any other period in the past thousands of years. Of course that is if one can free one’s self and escape drowning in today’s culture that is destroying so many lives as hard headed young souls have to learn the hard way through great suffering their hard lessons.
Evolving the New Reality Model
Perhaps 500 thousand to a million years ago our ancestor Homo erectus became aware enough to contemplate the nature of reality in a process we call shamanism. Over time, shamanism has evolved giving rise to modern day religions. The ancient idea that our ancestors continue to exist and affect our everyday lives developed into the modern day idea of a before and afterlife, on a less material plane of existence.
I am reminded of Plato’s allegory of the cave in which the dim shadows perceived on the wall of the cave are the dim distorted reflections of a much greater reality outside of the cave. As human civilization on earth has evolved, these distorted perceptions begin to clear for some and the overlying soul reality becomes more apparent. We now know that about one out of ten people, about the same that have seen UFOs, have had an Out of Body (OBE) or Near Death Experience (NDE). We simply cannot ignore or deny this evidence of life before and after bodily death or the large number of people who claim reincarnation experiences.
This seemly solid body of evidence, no matter how one is inclined to interpret it, provides a foundation for those psychological professionals who have become active in using hypnosis and psychological regression to ferret out hidden memories and traumas within this greater domain. Dr. Brian Weiss recounts in his book Many Lives Many Masters, how in frustration at not being able to help a client, he just told her to just go back in time to where the underlying trauma existed that was creating the symptoms. He thought that there might have been a trauma very early in life, but what happened not only profoundly changed his life, but positively affected hundreds of thousands if not millions of people when he put his findings into a book format.
To Brian’s shock, his patient regressed back to a past life, and even more amazingly her severe traumatic symptoms began to diminish. Weiss had already realized that there were a certain percentage of patients that he was not able to help, but when he applied past life regression to other patients in this category, they too began to get better. This sent him on a lifelong quest to understand soul reality through regressions of large numbers of people resulting in his books Many Lives Many Masters and Only Love Is Real.
In the second book he describes both a male and a female who came to him separately, but in regression were telling him the same stories of past lives. He held back bringing them together, afraid to disturb a natural process, but they found each other anyway because the soul attraction between the two was so strong.
Can we really ignore the thousands maybe millions of good reincarnation cases such as this one in the Epoch Times titled, Three Year Old Remembers Past Life: [9]
“A 3-year-old boy in the Golan Heights region near the border of Syria and Israel said he was murdered with an axe in his previous life. He showed village elders where the murderer buried his body, and sure enough they found a man’s skeleton there. He also showed the elders where the murder weapon was found, and upon digging, they did indeed found an axe there.
In his book, ‘Children Who Have Lived Before: Reincarnation Today,’ German therapist Trutz Hardo tells this boy’s story, along with other stories of children who seem to remember their past lives with verified accuracy. The boy’s story was witnessed by Dr. Eli Lasch, who is best known for developing the medical system in Gaza as part of an Israeli government operation in the 1960s. Dr. Lasch, who died in 2009, had recounted these astounding events to Hardo.”
Reincarnational cases are not nearly as frequent as Near Death Cases or UFO cases, but certainly are just as compelling, or more so because evidence can be more easily verified by researchers. Here is another case from the Middle East published in the Epoch Times that clearly shows that many of these reincarnational cases can be researched and verified by credible researchers and investigators. [10]
"Psychologist Dr. Erlendur Haraldsson, professor emeritus at the University of Iceland in Reykjavik, has long studied reincarnation. He has highlighted a case he began investigating in 2000 in which a boy named Nazih Al-Danaf gave many correct details about his purported past-life incarnation. Dr. Haraldsson worked with a local researcher, Majd Abu-Izzeddin, in Lebanon to interview the boy’s family members and the family of the deceased man Nazih may have been. All witnesses were interviewed multiple times several months apart, and the story remained by and large the same. The most striking testimony came from the dead man’s wife, who tested the boy’s knowledge of her life with her husband.
“At the age of about one and a half, Nazih told his mother, “I am not small, I am big. I carry two pistols. I carry four hand-grenades. I am ‘qabadai’ (a fearless strong person). Don’t be scared by the hand-grenades. I know how to handle them. I have a lot of weapons. My children are young and I want to go and see them.”
He used words his parents didn’t expect him to know at that age, showed an unusual interest in cigarettes and whisky, talked of a mute friend who had only one hand, said he had a red car, and said he died when people came to shoot at him. He said he was taken in an ambulance to the hospital, and was given an anesthesia shot in his arm on the way. He asked to go to his home in Qaberchamoun, a small town that is about 10.5 miles (17 kilometers) away.
Nazih has family near Qaberchamoun, but had never been in the town itself and didn’t know anyone from the town. After years of pestering, his parents finally took him to Qaberchamoun when he was 6 years old, in 1998. Some of his sisters went too. They arrived at an intersection of six roads in Qaberchamoun. Nazih pointed to one and said to follow it. He then instructed his father to wait for the next fork in the road, then go up to where his house is. His father, Sabir Al-Danaf, did as the boy said. He was eventually forced to stop the car, because the road was wet and became difficult to drive on. Nazih jumped out and ran on ahead. His father followed him, and the women got out to talk to a local man while waiting for Nazih and Sabir to return.
As the women described what Nazih had told them, the man was stunned. The details matched his deceased father. Dr. Haraldsson interviewed this man, Kamal Khaddage, whose father, Fuad Assad Khaddage, had died many years earlier. Nazih was unable to recognize any of the houses ahead, so he and his father returned to the car.
Khaddage asked his mother, Najdiyah, to come speak to the boy. Having heard that the boy may be her husband’s reincarnation, she tested him. She asked him: “Who built the foundation of this gate at the entrance of this house?” Nazih replied: “A man from the Faraj family.” This was correct.
She asked him if she had had any accident when they were living at the house in Ainab. Nazih said she had dislocated her shoulder one morning. He took her to the doctor when he got home from work, and she had a cast on for a while. This was correct. She asked him if he remembered how their daughter, Fairuz, had become ill. He said, “She was poisoned from my medication and I took her to the hospital.” This was correct.
Nazih went to a particular cupboard of his own accord and said that that’s where he had kept his weapons, though none were in there at the time. That was where Fuad had kept his weapons. The boy asked Fuad’s widow if she remembered how their car had stopped twice on the way from Beirut and Israeli soldiers had helped them start it again.
This had indeed happened. The boy mentioned a barrel in the garden he used to teach his wife to shoot, and ran out to see if it was still there. It was. Najdiyah showed Nazih a photograph of Fuad and asked: “Who is this?” The boy replied: “This is me, I was big but now I am small.”
There have been many professionals before and after Weiss who have recounted in their books past life experiences of their clients. But I think Michael Newton, PHD broke new ground with his between life regressions that he detailed in Journey of Souls and Destiny of Souls. In these books Michael gives detailed descriptions through hypnotic regression as to how souls exist and interact between incarnations. What came out of all this OBE, NDE and regression data is more detailed knowledge of a more expansive reality in which our physical universes are embedded. This reality while invisible to many, nevertheless determines our individual and collective evolution and destiny.
The physical or material universes seem to provide a stage or theater into which souls project or integrate themselves into host bodies and brains, the same as we get in and out of a car. We are not the car, even though to drive it we integrate ourselves into it in order to experience driving and to get from one place to another. It would appear that between lives there is a very clear overall reality; souls mingle and converse in groups to socialize, learn and plan together their next lives on the material plane.
They decide on the general parameters of their roles and interactions while in their host bodies in life’s theater. Later, once incarnated, they work out the details of their individual and collective roles, scenes, and plays etc. that evolve over time throughout their time in material existence. Then when their bodies die, they reenter the larger soul reality and together evaluate what when right and what went wrong in preparation for their next life.
The idea of Soul Theater or theatrics seems to be to evolve, improve, and perfect character. So we can say that life as we know it is a classroom in which we teach each other, while guided and supervised by even more advanced souls than ourselves. We learn through role playing, placing each other in different roles, be it supporting, lead, or even protagonist. Upon returning to the spirit world with more evolved souls, destructive emotions are soon left behind between souls in a group, and everybody is friends once again in the clarity of the soul environment, no matter how horrific we may have treated each other in material life.
For instance one soul might say to the other, I am sorry, but I let the emotions of the body get away from me and out of my control. The soul group might then discuss which kind of role might be appropriate in the future to work on this discipline problem, to better gain control over the host body, its genetics and its environmental history, that made it what it was.
We have no further than to carefully observe our personal interactions amongst ourselves to see that we set roles for each other on a continuous basis daily. We experience major roles as husbands, wives, daughters and sons etc., but change minor roles and scenes, plays or productions day to day. An example would be several people getting together to plan a party. Maybe one person decides to take on the leading role as director, who then solicits others to take on roles in the production, each according to their own desires.
Other examples of learning through role playing could be as simple as asking somebody to do something for us or refuse to do something for someone else. If we observe our thinking, feelings and actions closely, we can easily see that we use a variety of techniques, some quite manipulative, J to bring others into our personal plays, dramas and performances and expect and others to do the same for us.
These reality performances can be simple, minor, tragic or profound as we play out our lives on life’s stage. The reason I think Shakespeare was so profound and popular, was that he understood soul reality. When he said, “All life is a stage and we actors on it,” he was telling a very important and fundamental truth that still resonates with us today.
I think that a vast body of evidence has accumulated the past 100 + years on soul reality and what we can observe right here in our daily life shows that beyond birth and death is this greater soul reality. Once we understand this greater reality on an individual and collective level, at least to some degree, we will know life as Soul Theater and our pain and suffering in life will diminish.
When we realize we never permanently lose our friends and family and that they will keep coming back to us in life, the pain of loss loses its sting. We realize that separation is simply a necessary and temporary illusion. We can forgive those that hurt us, because we realize they are fallible just as we are. The sooner we all realize we are all in this school together the better off we will all be. We will have become enlightened as to our true nature and know how to proceed in life in a constructive manner. Life, like all things, makes sense when we understand the greatest perspective possible into which these things are imbedded, and use that perspective to make the right decisions in life in order to gain the right outcomes.
I don’t believe that any person has done more for consciousness science than Swiss Psychiatrist and Psychologist Carl Jung. (1875 – 1961) yet few realize that he himself had a near death experience during a heart attack when he was unconsciousness in 1944. Once again we see that the overall eternal quantum reality is constantly intruding and guiding with course corrections our evolutionary progress today, just as throughout history, even to our most sophisticated scientists of today. Carl Jung’s NDE illustrates that back and forth motion and communication between the quantum flux and holographic reality with just one individual, but this is going on with all individuals throughout society and every particle of matter and wave of light. Nothing is like a direct experience for rapid enlightenment but unless one has an overall grasp of the big picture, the experience is bound to pale over time and dissipate without doing much for our eternal evolutionary progress.
While Carl Jung’s NDE experience only took him to the point where he was about to have all his questions answered, it is an experience nevertheless very well-articulated by a very well trained observer and thinker. I follow this case with another where the participant was able or was allowed to go much further to the point of getting all his questions answered. As with UFO cases, I have found that to get to the bottom of things one searches out the most detailed cases and then gathers many less detailed but more frequent cases to back up portions of the overall very detailed stories.
NDE and OBE cases range from the very brief as happened to a friend of mine after smoking a joint where he began to float out of his body while driving and fearfully quickly snapped back into his body, to cases that are very detailed and profound. By sorting through these cases using good observation, discrimination and analysis we can build up a model or picture of this over reaching reality.
“The images were so tremendous that I myself concluded that I was close to death. My nurse afterward told me, “It was as if you were surrounded by a bright glow.” That was a phenomenon she had sometimes observed in the dying. . . .
It seems to me that I was high up in space. Far below I saw the globe of the earth, bathed in a gloriously blue light. I saw the deep blue sea and the continents. Far below my feet lay Ceylon, and in the distance ahead of me the subcontinent of India. . . . Far away to the left lay a broad expanse – the reddish-yellow desert of Arabia. . . . I could also see the snow-covered Himalayas, but in that direction it was foggy and cloudy. . . . I knew that I was on the point of departing from the earth. Later I discovered how high in space one would have to be to have so extensive a view – approximately a thousand miles! The sight of the earth from this height was the most glorious thing I had ever seen. . . .
I had the feeling that everything was being sloughed away; everything I aimed at or wished for or thought, the whole phantasmagoria of earthly existence fell away or was stripped from me – an extremely painful process. Nevertheless something remained; it was as if I now carried along with me everything I had ever experienced or done. . . . I might also say; it was with me, and I was it. . . . I consisted of my own history, and I felt with great certainty: this is what I am. . . . I believed I would at last understand – this too was a certainty – what historical nexus I or my life fitted into. I would know what had been before me, why I had come into being, and where my life was flowing. . . . My life seemed to have been snipped out of a long chain of events, and many questions had remained unanswered. Why had it taken this course? Why had I brought into earth life these particular assumptions with me? What had I made of them? What will follow? I felt sure that I would receive an answer to all these questions. . . .
While I was thinking over these matters, something happened that caught my attention. From below, from the direction of Europe, an image floated up. It was my doctor Dr. H. – or, rather his likeness – framed by a golden chain or a golden laurel wreath. I knew at once: “Aha, this is my doctor, of course, the one who has been treating me. But now he is coming in his primal form. . . . . In life he was . . . the temporal embodiment of the primal form, which has existed from the beginning. Now he is appearing in that primal form.”
Presumably I too was in my primal form, though this was something I did not observe but simply took for granted. As he stood before me, a mute exchange of thought took place between us. Dr. H. had been delegated by the earth to deliver a message to me, to tell me that there was a protest against my going away. I had no right to leave the earth and must return. The moment I heard that, the vision ceased. . . .
I was profoundly disappointed, for now. . . . The painful process of defoliation had been in vain. . . . Disappointed, I thought, “Now I must return to the ‘box system’ again.” For it seemed to me as if behind the horizon of the cosmos a three-dimensional world had been artificially built up, in which each person sat by himself in a little box. And now I should have to convince myself all over again that this was important! Life and the whole world struck me as a prison, and it bothered me beyond measure that I should again be finding that quite in order. I had been so glad to shed it all, and now it had come about that I – along with everyone else – would again be hung up in a box by a thread. . . .
It was only after the illness that I understood how important it is to affirm one’s own destiny. In this way we forge an ego that does not break down when incomprehensible things happen; an ego that endures, that endures the truth, and that is capable of coping with the world and with fate. . . . Nothing is disturbed – neither inwardly nor outwardly, for one’s own continuity has withstood the current of life and of time."
Mellen Thomas Benedict’s Near-Death Experience picks up where Carl Jung’s experience left off. In addition there is solid proof of his immediate remission of cancer to back up his story. This case illustrates what a powerful effect reestablishing connection to quantum reality or source reality can have on holographic reality. Clearly source reality or quantum reality is the dominant domain with holographic reality being the lesser domain of existence. [11]
“In 1982 I died from terminal cancer. The condition I had was inoperable, and any kind of chemotherapy they could give me would just have made me more of a vegetable. I was given six to eight months to live. I had been an information freak in the 1970's, and I had become increasingly despondent over the nuclear crisis, the ecology crisis, and so forth. So, since I did not have a spiritual basis, I began to believe that nature had made a mistake, and that we were probably a cancerous organism on the planet.
I saw no way that we could get out from all the problems we had created for ourselves and the planet. I perceived all humans as cancer, and that is what I got. That is what killed me. Be careful what your world view is. It can feed back on you, especially if it is a negative world view. I had a seriously negative one. That is what led me into my death. I tried all sorts of alternative healing methods, but nothing helped
So I determined that this was really just between me and God. I had never really faced God before, or even dealt with God. I was not into any kind of spirituality at the time, but I began a journey into learning about spirituality and alternative healing. I set out to do all the reading I could and bone up on the subject, because I did not want to be surprised on the other side. So I started reading on various religions and philosophies. They were all very interesting, and gave hope that there was something on the other side.
On the other hand, as a self-employed stained-glass artist at the time, I had no medical insurance whatsoever. So my life savings went overnight in testing. Then I was facing the medical profession without any kind of insurance. I did not want to have my family dragged down financially, so I determined to handle this myself. There was not constant pain, but there were black-outs. I got so that I would not dare to drive, and eventually I ended up in hospice care. I had my own personal hospice caretaker. I was very blessed by this angel who went through the last part of this with me. I lasted about eighteen months. I did not want to take a lot of drugs, since I wanted to be as conscious as possible. Then I experienced such pain that I had nothing but pain in my consciousness, luckily only for a few days at a time.
I remember waking up one morning at home about 4:30 am, and I just knew that this was it. This was the day I was going to die. So I called a few friends and said goodbye. I woke up my hospice caretaker and told her. I had a private agreement with her that she would leave my dead body alone for six hours, since I had read that all kinds of interesting things happen when you die. I went back to sleep. The next thing I remember is the beginning of a typical near-death experience. Suddenly I was fully aware and I was standing up, but my body was in the bed. There was this darkness around me.
Being out of my body was even more vivid than ordinary experience. It was so vivid that I could see every room in the house, I could see the top of the house, I could see around the house, I could see under the house.
The Light of God
There was this light shining. I turned toward the light. The light was very similar to what many other people have described in their near-death experiences. It was so magnificent. It is tangible; you can feel it. It is alluring; you want to go to it like you would want to go to your ideal mother's or father's arms. As I began to move toward the light, I knew intuitively that if I went to the light, I would be dead. So as I was moving toward the light I said, "Please wait a minute, just hold on a second here. I want to think about this; I would like to talk to you before I go.
To my surprise, the entire experience halted at that point. You are indeed in control of your near-death experience. You are not on a roller coaster ride. So my request was honored and I had some conversations with the light. The light kept changing into different figures, like Jesus, Buddha, Krishna, mandalas, archetypal images and signs. I asked the light, "What is going on here? Please, light, clarify yourself for me. I really want to know the reality of the situation."
I cannot really say the exact words, because it was sort of telepathy. The light responded. The information transferred to me was that your beliefs shape the kind of feedback you are getting before the light. If you were a Buddhist or Catholic or Fundamentalist, you get a feedback loop of your own stuff. You have a chance to look at it and examine it, but most people do not.
As the light revealed itself to me, I became aware that what I was really seeing was our Higher Self matrix. The only thing I can tell you is that it turned into a matrix, a mandala of human souls, and what I saw was that what we call our Higher Self in each of us is a matrix. It's also a conduit to the Source; each one of us comes directly, as a direct experience from the Source. We all have a Higher Self, or an over-soul part of our being. It revealed itself to me in its truest energy form. The only way I can really describe it is that the being of the Higher Self is more like a conduit. It did not look like that, but it is a direct connection to the Source that each and every one of us has. We are directly connected to the Source.
So the light was showing me the Higher Self matrix. And it became very clear to me that all the Higher Selves are connected as one being, all humans are connected as one being, we are actually the same being, different aspects of the same being. It was not committed to one particular religion. So that is what was being fed back to me. And I saw this mandala of human souls. It was the most beautiful thing I have ever seen. I just went into it and, it was just overwhelming. It was like all the love you've ever wanted, and it was the kind of love that cures, heals, regenerates.
As I asked the light to keep explaining, I understood what the Higher Self matrix is. We have a grid around the planet where all the Higher Selves are connected. This is like a great company, a next subtle level of energy around us, the spirit level, you might say.
Then, after a couple of minutes, I asked for more clarification. I really wanted to know what the universe is about, and I was ready to go at that time. I said, "I am ready, take me."
The River of Life
Then the light turned into the most beautiful thing that I have ever seen: a mandala of human souls on this planet. Now I came to this with my negative view of what has happened on the planet. So as I asked the light to keep clarifying for me, I saw in this magnificent mandala how beautiful we all are in our essence, our core. We are the most beautiful creations. The human soul, the human matrix that we all make together is absolutely fantastic, elegant, exotic, everything. I just cannot say enough about how it changed my opinion of human beings in that instant.
I said, "Oh, God, I did not know how beautiful we are.” At any level, high or low, in whatever shape you are in, you are the most beautiful creation, you are. I was astonished to find that there was no evil in any soul. I said, "How can this be?” The answer was that no soul was inherently evil. The terrible things that happened to people might make them do evil things, but their souls were not evil. What all people seek, what sustains them, is love, the light told me. What distorts people is a lack of love. The revelations coming from the light seemed to go on and on, then I asked the light, "Does this mean that humankind will be saved?” Then, like a trumpet blast with a shower of spiraling lights, the Great Light spoke, saying: "Remember this and never forget; you save, redeem and heal yourself. You always have. You always will. You were created with the power to do so from before the beginning of the world."
In that instant I realized even more. I realized that WE HAVE ALREADY BEEN SAVED, and we saved ourselves because we were designed to self-correct like the rest of God's universe. This is what the second coming is about. I thanked the light of God with all my heart. The best thing I could come up with was these simple words of total appreciation: "Oh dear God, dear Universe, dear Great Self, I love my life.”
The light seemed to breathe me in even more deeply. It was as if the light was completely absorbing me. The love light is, to this day, indescribable. I entered into another realm, more profound than the last, and became aware of something more, much more. It was an enormous stream of light, vast and full, deep in the heart of life. I asked what this was. The light responded: "This is the RIVER OF LIFE. Drink of this manna water to your heart's content."
So I did. I took one big drink and then another. To drink of life Itself! I was in ecstasy. Then the light said: “You have a desire.” The light knew all about me, everything past, present and future. "Yes!" I whispered. I asked to see the rest of the universe; beyond our solar system, beyond all human illusion. The light then told me that I could go with the Stream. I did, and was carried through the light at the end of the tunnel. I felt and heard a series of very soft sonic booms. What a rush!
Suddenly I seemed to be rocketing away from the planet on this stream of life. I saw the Earth fly away. The solar system, in all its splendor, whizzed by and disappeared. At faster than light speed, I flew through the center of the galaxy, absorbing more knowledge as I went. I learned that this galaxy, and all of the universe, is bursting with many different varieties of LIFE. I saw many worlds. The good news is that we are not alone in this universe!
As I rode this stream of consciousness through the center of the galaxy, the stream was expanding in awesome fractal waves of energy. The super clusters of galaxies with all their ancient wisdom flew by. At first I thought I was going somewhere; actually traveling. But then I realized that, as the stream was expanding, my own consciousness was also expanding to take in everything in the universe! All creation passed by me. It was an unimaginable wonder! I truly was a wonder child; a babe in Wonderland!
It seemed as if all the creations in the universe soared by me and vanished in a speck of light. Almost immediately, a second light appeared. It came from all sides, and was so different; a light made up of more than every frequency in the universe.
The Void
I felt and heard several velvety sonic booms again. My consciousness, or being, was expanding to interface with the entire holographic universe and more. As I passed into the second light, the awareness came to me that I had just transcended the truth. Those are the best words I have for it, but I will try to explain. As I passed into the second light, I expanded beyond the first light. I found myself in a profound stillness, beyond all silence. I could see or perceive FOREVER, beyond infinity. I was in the void. I was in pre-creation, before the Big Bang. I had crossed over the beginning of time - the first word - the first vibration. I was in the eye of creation. I felt as if I was touching the face of God. It was not a religious feeling. Simply I was at one with absolute life and consciousness.
When I say that I could see or perceive forever, I mean that I could experience all of creation generating itself. It was without beginning and without end. That's a mind-expanding thought, isn't it? Scientists perceive the Big Bang as a single event which created the universe. I saw that the Big Bang is only one of an infinite number of Big Bangs creating universes endlessly and simultaneously. The only images that even come close in human terms would be those created by supercomputers using fractal geometry equations.
The ancients knew of this. They said Godhead periodically created new universes by breathing out, and de-creating other universes by breathing in. These epochs were called yugas. Modern science called this the Big Bang. I was in absolute, pure consciousness. I could see or perceive all the Big Bangs or yugas creating and de-creating themselves. Instantly I entered into them all simultaneously. I saw that each and every little piece of creation has the power to create. It is very difficult to try to explain this. I am still speechless about this.
It took me years after I returned to assimilate any words at all for the void experience. I can tell you this now; the void is less than nothing, yet more than everything that is! The void is absolute zero; chaos forming all possibilities. It is absolute consciousness; much more than even universal intelligence.
Where is the void? I know. The void is inside and outside everything. You, right now even while you live, are always inside and outside the void simultaneously. You don't have to go anywhere or die to get there. The void is the vacuum or nothingness between all physical manifestations. The SPACE between atoms and their components. Modern science has begun to study this space between everything. They call it zero-point. Whenever they try to measure it, their instruments go off the scale, or to infinity, so to speak. They have no way, as of yet, to measure infinity accurately. There is more of the zero space in your own body and the universe than anything else!
What mystics call the void is not a void. It is so full of energy, a different kind of energy that has created everything that we are. Everything since the Big Bang is vibration, from the first word, which is the first vibration. The Biblical "I am" really has a question mark after it: "I am? What am I?”
So creation is God exploring God's Self through every way imaginable, in an ongoing, infinite exploration through every one of us. Through every piece of hair on your head, through every leaf on every tree, through every atom, God is exploring God's Self, the great "I am". I began to see that everything that is, is the Self, literally, your Self, my Self. Everything is the great Self. That is why God knows even when a leaf falls. That is possible because wherever you are is the center of the universe. Wherever any atom is, that is the center of the universe. There is God in that, and God in the void.
As I was exploring the void and all the yugas or creations, I was completely out of time and space as we know it. In this expanded state, I discovered that creation is about absolute pure consciousness, or God, coming into the experience of life as we know it. The void itself is devoid of experience. It is pre-life, before the first vibration. Godhead is about more than life and death. Therefore there is even more than life and death to experience in the universe!
I was in the void and I was aware of everything that had ever been created. It was like I was looking out of God's eyes. I had become God. Suddenly I wasn't me anymore. The only thing I can say, I was looking out of God's eyes. And suddenly I knew why every atom was, and I could see everything.
The interesting point was that I went into the void, I came back with this understanding that God is not there. God is here. That's what it is all about. So this constant search of the human race to go out and find God ... God gave everything to us, everything is here - this is where it's at. And what we are into now is God's exploration of God through us. People are so busy trying to become God that they ought to realize that we are already God and God is becoming us. That's what it is really about. When I realized this, I was finished with the void, and wanted to return to this creation, or yuga. It just seemed like the natural thing to do.
Then I suddenly came back through the second light, or the Big Bang, hearing several more velvet booms. I rode the stream of consciousness back through all of creation, and what a ride it was! The super-clusters of galaxies came through me with even more insights. I passed through the center of our galaxy, which is a black hole. Black holes are the great processors or recyclers of the universe. Do you know what is on the other side of a black hole? We are; our galaxy; which has been reprocessed from another universe.
In its total energy configuration, the galaxy looked like a fantastic city of lights. All energy this side of the Big Bang is light. Every sub-atom, atom, star, planet, even consciousness itself is made of light and has a frequency and/or particle. Light is living stuff. Everything is made of light, even stones. So everything is alive. Everything is made from the light of God; everything is very intelligent.
The Light of Love
As I rode the stream on and on, I could eventually see a huge light coming. I knew it was the first light; the Higher Self light matrix of our solar system. Then the entire solar system appeared in the light, accompanied by one of those velvet booms. I saw that the solar system we live in is our larger, local body. This is our local body and we are much bigger than we imagine. I saw that the solar system is our body. I am a part of this, and the Earth is this great created being that we are, and we are the part of it that knows that it is. But we are only that part of it. We are not everything, but we are that part of it that knows that it is.
I could see all the energy that this solar system generates, and it is an incredible light show! I could hear the Music of the Spheres. Our solar system, as do all celestial bodies, generates a unique matrix of light, sound and vibratory energies. Advanced civilizations from other star systems can spot life as we know it in the universe by the vibratory or energy matrix imprint. It is child's play. The Earth's wonder child (human beings) makes an abundance of sound right now, like children playing in the backyard of the universe.
I rode the stream directly into the center of the light. I felt embraced by the light as it took me in with its breath again, followed by another soft sonic boom. I was in this great light of love with the stream of life flowing through me. I have to say again, it is the most loving, non-judgmental light.
The light explained to me that there is no death; we are immortal beings. We have already been alive forever! I realized that we are part of a natural living system that recycles itself endlessly. I was never told that I had to come back. I just knew that I would. It was only natural, from what I had seen.
I don't know how long I was with the light, in human time. But there came a moment when I realized that all my questions had been answered and my return was near. When I say that all my questions were answered on the other side, I mean to say just that. All my questions have been answered. Every human has a different life and set of questions to explore. Some of our questions are universal, but each of us is exploring this thing we call life in our own unique way. So is every other form of life, from mountains to every leaf on every tree. And that is very important to the rest of us in this universe. Because it all contributes to the Big Picture, the fullness of life. We are literally God exploring God's Self in an infinite Dance of Life. Your uniqueness enhances all of life.
His Return to Earth
As I began my return to the life cycle, it never crossed my mind, nor was I told, that I would return to the same body. It just did not matter. I had complete trust in the light and the life process. As the stream merged with the great light, I asked never to forget the revelations and the feelings of what I had learned on the other side. There was a "Yes." It felt like a kiss to my soul.
Then I was taken back through the light into the vibratory realm again. The whole process reversed, with even more information being given to me. I came back home, and I was given lessons on the mechanics of reincarnation. I was given answers to all those little questions I had: "How does this work? How does that work?" I knew that I would be reincarnated.
The Earth is a great processor of energy, and individual consciousness evolves out of that into each one of us. I thought of myself as a human for the first time, and I was happy to be that. From what I have seen, I would be happy to be an atom in this universe. An atom. So to be the human part of God ... this is the most fantastic blessing. It is a blessing beyond our wildest estimation of what blessing can be. For each and every one of us to be the human part of this experience is awesome, and magnificent. Each and every one of us, no matter where we are, screwed up or not, are a blessing to the planet, right where we are
So I went through the reincarnation process expecting to be a baby somewhere. But I was given a lesson on how individual identity and consciousness evolve. So I reincarnated back into this body.
I was so surprised when I opened my eyes. I do not know why, because I understood it, but it was still such a surprise to be back in this body, back in my room with someone looking over me crying her eyes out. It was my hospice caretaker. She had given up an hour and a half after finding me dead. She was sure I was dead; all the signs of death were there - I was getting stiff. We do not know how long I was dead, but we do know that it was an hour and a half since I was found. She honored my wish to have my newly dead body left alone for a few hours as much as she could. We had an amplified stethoscope and many ways of checking out the vital functions of the body to see what was happening. She can verify that I really was dead.
It was not a near-death experience. I experienced death itself for at least an hour and a half. She found me dead and checked the stethoscope, blood pressure and heart rate monitor for an hour and a half. Then I awakened and saw the light outside. I tried to get up to go to it, but I fell out of the bed. She heard a loud "clunk", ran in and found me on the floor.
When I recovered, I was very surprised and yet very awed about what had happened to me. At first all the memory of the trip that I have now was not there. I kept slipping out of this world and kept asking, "Am I alive?" This world seemed more like a dream than that one.
Within three days, I was feeling normal again, clearer, yet different than I had ever felt in my life. My memory of the journey came back later. I could see nothing wrong with any human being I had ever seen. Before that I was really judgmental. I thought a lot of people were really screwed up, in fact I thought that everybody was screwed up but me. But I got clear on all that.
About three months later a friend said I should get tested, so I went and got the scans and so forth. I really felt good, so I was afraid of getting bad news. I remember the doctor at the clinic looking at the before and after scans, saying, "Well, there is nothing here now." I said, "Really, it must be a miracle?” He said, "No, these things happen, they are called spontaneous remission.” He acted very unimpressed. But here was a miracle, and I was impressed, even if no one else was.
The Lessons He Learned
The mystery of life has very little to do with intelligence. The universe is not an intellectual process at all. The intellect is helpful; it is brilliant, but right now that is all we process with, instead of our hearts and the wiser part of ourselves. The center of the Earth is this great transmuter of energy, just as you see in pictures of our Earth's magnetic field. That's our cycle, pulling reincarnated souls back in and through it again.
A sign that you are reaching human level is that you are beginning to evolve an individual consciousness. The animals have a group soul, and they reincarnate in group souls. A deer is pretty much going to be a deer forever. But just being born a human, whether deformed or genius, shows that you are on the path to developing an individual consciousness. That is in itself part of the group consciousness called humanity.
I saw that races are personality clusters. Nations like France, Germany and China each have their own personality. Cities have personalities, their local group souls that attract certain people. Families have group souls. Individual identity is evolving like branches of a fractal; the group soul explores in our individuality. The different questions that each of us has are very, very important. This is how Godhead is exploring God's Self - through you. So ask your questions, do your searching. You will find your Self and you will find God in that Self, because it is only the Self.
More than that, I began to see that each one of us humans are soul mates. We are part of the same soul fractaling out in many creative directions, but still the same. Now I look at every human being that I ever see, and I see a soul mate, my soul mate, the one I have always been looking for. Beyond that, the greatest soul mate that you will ever have is yourself. We are each both male and female. We experience this in the womb and we experience this in reincarnation states. If you are looking for that ultimate soul mate outside of yourself, you may never find it; it is not there. Just as God is not "there." God is here. Don't look "out there" for God. Look here for God. Look through your Self. Start having the greatest love affair you ever had ... with your Self. You will love everything out of that.
I had a descent into what you might call hell, and it was very surprising. I did not see Satan or evil. My descent into hell was a descent into each person's customized human misery, ignorance, and darkness of not-knowing. It seemed like a miserable eternity. But each of the millions of souls around me had a little star of light always available. But no one seemed to pay attention to it. They were so consumed with their own grief, trauma and misery. But, after what seemed an eternity, I started calling out to that light, like a child calling to a parent for help. Then the light opened up and formed a tunnel that came right to me an insulated me from all that fear and pain. That is what hell really is.
So what we are doing is learning to hold hands, to come together. The doors of hell are open now. We are going to link up, hold hands, and walk out of hell together.
The light came to me and turned into a huge golden angel. I said, "Are you the angel of death?" It expressed to me that it was my over-soul, my Higher Self matrix, a super-ancient part of ourselves. Then I was taken to the light.
Soon our science will quantify spirit. Isn't that going to be wonderful? We are coming up with devices now that are sensitive to subtle energy or spirit energy. Physicists use these atomic colliders to smash atoms to see what they are made of. They have got it down to quarks and charm, and all that. Well, one day they are going to come down to the little thing that holds it all together, and they are going to have to call that ... God. With atomic colliders they are not only seeing what is in here, but they are creating particles. Thank God most of them are short-lived milliseconds and nanoseconds. We are just beginning to understand that we are creating too, as we go along.
As I saw forever, I came to a realm in which there is a point where we pass all knowledge and begin creating the next fractal, the next level. We have that power to create as we explore. And that is God expanding itself through us. Since my return I have experienced the light spontaneously, and I have learned how to get to that space almost any time in my meditation. Each one of you can do this. You do not have to die to do this. It is within your equipment; you are wired for it already.
The body is the most magnificent light being there is. The body is a universe of incredible light. Spirit is not pushing us to dissolve this body. That is not what is happening. Stop trying to become God; God is becoming you. Here the mind is like a child running around the universe, demanding this and thinking it created the world. But I ask the mind, "What did your mother have to do with this?” That is the next level of spiritual awareness. Oh! My mother! All of a sudden you give up the ego, because you are not the only soul in the universe.
What Is Heaven?
One of my questions to the light was, "What is heaven? I was given a tour of all the heavens that have been created: the Nirvanas, the Happy Hunting Grounds, all of them. I went through them. These are thought form creations that we have created. We don't really go to heaven; we are reprocessed. But whatever we created, we leave a part of ourselves there. It is real, but it is not all of the soul.
I saw the Christian heaven. We expect it to be a beautiful place, and you stand in front of the throne, worshipping forever. I tried it. It is boring! This is all we are going to do? It is childlike. I do not mean to offend anyone. Some heavens are very interesting, and some are very boring. I found the ancient ones to be more interesting, like the Native American ones, the Happy Hunting Grounds. The Egyptians have fantastic ones. It goes on and on.
There are so many of them. In each of them there is a fractal that is your particular interpretation, unless you are part of the group soul that believes in only the God of a particular religion. Then you are very close, in the same ball park together. But even then, each is a little bit different. That is a part of yourself that you leave there. Death is about life, not about heaven. I asked God, "What is the best religion on the planet? Which one is right?” And Godhead said, with great love: “I don’t care.” That was incredible grace. What that meant was that we are the caring beings here. The Ultimate Godhead of all the stars tells us: “It does not matter what religion you are.”
They come and they go, they change. Buddhism has not been here forever, Catholicism has not been here forever, and they are all about to become more enlightened. More light is coming into all systems now. There is going to be a reformation in spirituality that is going to be just as dramatic as the Protestant Reformation. There will be lots of people fighting about it, one religion against the next, believing that only they are right.
Everyone thinks they own God, the religions and philosophies, especially the religions, because they form big organizations around their philosophy. When Godhead said, "I don't care," I immediately understood that it is for us to care about. It is important, because we are the caring beings. It matters to us and that is where it is important. What you have is the energy equation in spirituality. Ultimate Godhead does not care if you are Protestant, Buddhist, or whatever. It is all a blooming facet of the whole. I wish that all religions would realize it and let each other be. It is not the end of each religion, but we are talking about the same God. Live and let live. Each has a different view. And it all adds up to the Big Picture; it is all important.
I went over to the other side with a lot of fears about toxic waste, nuclear missiles, the population explosion, the rainforest. I came back loving every single problem. I love nuclear waste. I love the mushroom cloud; this is the holiest mandala that we have manifested to date, as an archetype. It, more than any religion or philosophy on Earth, brought us together all of a sudden, to a new level of consciousness. Knowing that maybe we can blow up the planet fifty times, or 500 times, we finally realize that maybe we are all here together now. For a period they had to keep setting off more bombs to get it in to us. Then we started saying, "We do not need this anymore.”
Now we are actually in a safer world than we have ever been in, and it is going to get safer. So I came back loving toxic waste, because it brought us together. These things are so big. As Peter Russell might say, these problems are now "soul size." Do we have soul size answers? YES!
The clearing of the rain forest will slow down, and in fifty years there will be more trees on the planet than in a long time. If you are into ecology, go for it; you are that part of the system that is becoming aware. Go for it with all your might, but do not be depressed. It is part of a larger thing.
Earth is in the process of domesticating itself. It is never again going to be as wild a place as it once was. There will be great wild places, reserves where nature thrives. Gardening and reserves will be the thing in the future. Population increase is getting very close to the optimal range of energy to cause a shift in consciousness. That shift in consciousness will change politics, money, energy.
What happens when we dream? We are multi-dimensional beings. We can access that through lucid dreaming. In fact, this universe is God's dream. One of the things that I saw is that we humans are a speck on a planet that is a speck in a galaxy that is a speck. Those are giant systems out there, and we are in sort of an average system. But human beings are already legendary throughout the cosmos of consciousness. The little bitty human being of Earth/Gaia is legendary. One of the things that we are legendary for is dreaming. We are legendary dreamers. In fact, the whole cosmos has been looking for the meaning of life, the meaning of it all. And it was the little dreamer who came up with the best answer ever. We dreamed it up. So dreams are important.
After dying and coming back, I really respect life and death. In our DNA experiments we may have opened the door to a great secret. Soon we will be able to live as long as we want to live in this body. After living 150 years or so, there will be an intuitive soul sense that you will want to change channels. Living forever in one body is not as creative as reincarnation, as transferring energy in this fantastic vortex of energy that we are in. We are actually going to see the wisdom of life and death, and enjoy it.
As it is now, we have already been alive forever. This body that you are in, has been alive forever. It comes from an unending stream of life, going back to the Big Bang and beyond. This body gives life to the next life, in dense and subtle energy. This body has been alive forever already.”
Another case that is quite similar is Anita Moorjani’s case recounted in her book Dying To Be Me. This quoted material of floating up to view events outside of the body is so typical of a huge number of cases. [12] We can see that these very detailed cases are not isolated cases and tend to independently support each other adding to a detailed experience of source or quantum reality.
“Anita Moorjani, an ethnic Indian woman from Hong Kong, had end stage cancer (Hodgkin's Lymphoma) and was being cared for at home, but on the morning of February 2, 2006 she did not wake up. She had fallen into a coma. Doctors said she would not make it beyond the next 36 hours since her organs were no longer functioning and her body had started to swell up, creating open skin lesions. In spite of this, Anita saw and heard the conversations between her husband and the doctors that were taking place outside her room about 40 feet away down a hallway. She also saw her brother on a plane, having heard the news that she was dying, coming to see her. Both things were later confirmed.
Then she claims to have "crossed over to another dimension, where I was engulfed in a total feeling of love. I also experienced extreme clarity of why I had the cancer, why I had come into this life in the first place, what role everyone in my family played in my life in the grand scheme of things, and generally how life works. I realized what a gift life was, and that I was surrounded by loving spiritual beings, which were always around me even when I did not know it. I found out that my purpose now would be to live ‘heaven on earth' using this new understanding, and also to share this knowledge with other people."
In her now famous book, “Dying to be me”, Anita explains how she "had the choice of whether to come back into life, or go towards death. I became aware that if I chose life, my body would heal very quickly. I then started to understand how illnesses start on an energetic level before they become physical. I became aware that everything going on in our lives was dependent on this energy around us, created by us. Nothing was real – we created our surroundings, our conditions, etc. depending where this “energy” was at. If I chose life, the results would show that my organs were functioning normally. If I chose death, the results would show organ failure as the cause of death, due to cancer. I was able to change the outcome of the tests by my choice.
I made my choice, and as I started to wake up (in a very confused state, as I could not at that time tell which side of the veil I was on), the doctors came rushing into the room with big smiles on their faces saying to my family 'Good news – we got the results and her organs are functioning – we can't believe it!'. After that, I began to recover rapidly." Doctors were quite surprised and, once Anita became stable, they started tracking down the lymph nodes they saw when she entered the hospital. Tests had shown swollen lymph nodes and tumors the size of lemons extending from the base of her skull all the way to her lower abdomen, but doctors found none. They did a bone marrow biopsy, again to find the cancer activity so they could adjust the chemotherapy according to the disease, but there wasn't any in the bone marrow. Because they were unable to understand what was going on, they made her undergo test after test, all of which Anita passed easily. She then had a full body scan, and because they could not find anything, they made the radiologist repeat it again.
"Because of my experience, I am now sharing with everyone I know that miracles are possible in your life every day. After what I have seen, I realize that absolutely anything is possible, and that we did not come here to suffer. Life is supposed to be great, and we are very, very loved. The way I look at life has changed dramatically, and I am so glad to have been given a second chance to experience 'heaven on earth.'"
In the extraterrestrial contact case that follows, the more credible Horsley case, a Frenchman claims to have gone to live for a year at an extraterrestrial base and mentions that these human extraterrestrials know of and experience the reality of reincarnation and eternal life. [13] Obviously it is not just a theory to them but a fact validated by their very advanced science. I came across this case after I published my book UFOs Exopolitics and the New World Disorder and include it later to illustrate that reincarnational doctrine guides not only humans on earth, but also more advanced humans elsewhere to whom we are related.
It’s important to understand that this Frenchman case does not stand alone. I just don’t have space in this book for more. Researcher Albert Rosales for instance has catalogued over 14000 + extraterrestrial human or humanoid cases. Of course there is a sprinkling of frauds in these cases, but anybody that takes the time to go through even a small part of this case load has got to be impressed by some of which are well documented and validated cases.
It would appear from these human ET cases that our particular human race on earth is only one small element of a much larger group of cosmic humans to which we seem to be genetically and culturally related. More earth-centric human illusions about the cosmos are in the process of being shattered as ET’s slowly and systematically insert more extraterrestrial context into our lives regardless as to how our rulers react.
While many are still kept in denial of extraterrestrial life by government cover-ups and propaganda, many people are already interacting with extraterrestrials. Of course we have our scammers and frauds in the UFO field capitalizing on UFO interest, so for ordinary people it’s difficult to discriminate the lies from the truth. However it is a great mistake to deny all the tens of thousands of credible encounter cases and multi-millions of credible sightings of ET craft.
It’s also important that folks realize that a huge body of evidence is now available and shows that our genetics, culture and religion and even our science have been influenced by extraterrestrial encounters throughout our history. Hopefully folks will not be put off by the hoaxers and frauds and realize that extraterrestrial contact with more advanced ET races guides our material and spiritual development even if that sufficient context is not available to many of us yet.
In order to illustrate this point, I would like to produce here a couple of extraterrestrial contact cases. The first one has a very credible source while the second one is more debatable. However, they both illustrate like many other cases, both credible and no so credible, that not only have our leaders been contacted, our spiritual and material development has been discussed. What we see is that apparently our leaders at the highest level have rebuffed help from the more advanced extraterrestrials and gotten us involved with types that are less advanced and even dangerous to us.
Thanks to UFO/ET researcher Timothy Good the case of RAF’s Air Marshal Peter Horsley’s encounter with an extraterrestrial in 1954 has come to the attention of the UFO community. Interestingly this was the same year that credible sources have said President Eisenhower and other high level Americans met with human ETs. The former Deputy Commander in Chief of Strike Command is a British war hero and was an advisor to Her Majesty the Queen and Prince Philip for seven years. Peter’s case has a very sound foundation of credibility. The case surfaced in Peter’s autobiography Sounds From Another Room that has a complete chapter devoted to UFOs, including details of his investigations and sighting reports.
What is really mind blowing and courageous for his part is that 14 pages of this chapter are dedicated to a two hour conversation with an advanced extraterrestrial. Timothy Good has provided some excerpts from these 14 pages. Here are the excerpts thanks to Timothy Good. [14]
“Another enthusiast was air Chief Marshal Sir Arthur Barratt, who retired from the RAF at the end of the war. Barrett introduced Sir Peter to a friend of his, a General Martin, who believed that flying saucers were extraterrestrial vehicles from another planet whose inhabitants were trying to warn us of the perils of nuclear war. Sir Peter was not convinced.
One day in 1954, General Martin phoned Sir Peter, inviting him to meet a Mrs. Markham that night at her London flat in Smith Street, Chelsea. Morning There, in a dimly lit room, he was introduced to a ‘Mr. Janus.’ Without any preliminaries, writes Sir Peter, ‘Mr. Janus dived straight into the deep end by asking me to tell him all I knew about UFOs. He listened patiently… At the end I thought I might be equally as direct and asked Janus what his interest was? He answered me a quite simply, "I would like to meet the Duke of Edinburgh."
Somewhat taken aback, Sir Peter replied that this would not be easy. But it was here the strangeness of it all started – the man’s extraordinary ability to read my thoughts.’ Asked why he wanted to meet Prince Phillip, Janus replied: ‘He is a man of great vision. . . who believes strongly in the proper relationship between man and nature which will prove of great importance in future galactic harmony… perhaps you and I can discuss the subject first and you will be able to judge whether I’m dangerous or not. ‘Sir Peter devotes 14 pages to the ensuing two hour discourse, of which selected excerpts follow.
Janus began by pointing out that man was ‘now striving to break his earthly bonds and travel to the Moon and the planets beyond’. He continued: But flight to the stars is Man’s ultimate dream, although knowledge of the vast distances involved in interstellar flight makes it appear only a dream. Yet perhaps after a hundred years or so… exploration of his own solar system may be complete and it is just not in Man’s nature to stop there…
Just as tribes found other tribes and Christopher Columbus discovered on his travels unknown centers of ancient civilizations so Man in his journeys through the universe may find innumerable centers of culture far more ancient than his own…He will discover a wealth of experiences infinitely more startling and beautiful than can be imagined: and infinite variety of agencies and forces as yet unknown: great fields of gravity and anti-gravity where objects are accelerated across space like giant sling shots, even other universes with different space and time formula.
Why does Man reach for the stars? His energies have never been solely directed towards material benefits alone. From the beginning of Man’s history he has striven… towards a spirituality and grace of which he was aware but could not fully comprehend. This drive to reach out beyond himself has been the motive power behind some of Man’s finest achievements…
So Man invading space for material gain or personal glorification alone will gain nothing, but Man searching to enrich his own spirituality and nature will come closer to understanding that God is Universal.”
The following Frenchman Case reminds me of another good case that came to me since I wrote my Exopolitics book. In the book Ami Child of the Stars the young ET explains that their society is stretched across galaxies and is organized and maintained moment to moment by quantum supercomputers linked together by quantum communication networks. These computers fly their craft and even keep the craft from crashing into things as the young ET demonstrated to an earth human boy. A craft can be checked out from a hangar for free the same as we check out books from our local library when needed. Colin Andrews, one of the most well respected, credible and knowledgeable researchers, is not one to be easily taken in by frauds and hoaxers and I assume this case is well vetted. The Frenchman wrote a book on his experiences but unfortunately it has yet to be translated into English.
"In 1969, a French farmer was asked to spend one year living and working at a subterranean base in the Himalayas. A 40-year silence was imposed following his return, and in 2005, Robert L. came forward ... • Intimate contact with ETs • Daily instruction in yoga, information on the Universe, galactic communication and Earth’s dilemma • Mission to provide genetic material for Earth-like planets • Spacecraft excursion and encounter with French fighter jet. Over a period of months a farm in southern France was plagued by the appearance of lights. Balls of light appeared in the evening and surrounded the house of 20-year-old Robert L., who lived with his parents and his grandmothers.
Large balls of light moved over the ground, seeming to extinguish and re-light, eventually joining up with a giant bullet-shaped form standing vertically. They appeared to be intelligent. One evening the young man feeling exasperated attempted to run into a ball of light with his car. A race ensued over 2 miles, and Robert was unable to catch up with the ball. The car broke down. A flying vessel appeared. The temperature rose. A "flying saucer” with two domes descended to the ground where Robert saw two figures on the inside. He lost consciousness. Over the next days, Robert was overcome with fatigue and had nightmares. He slept twenty hours a day for three months.
Bullet-shaped Vessel Visitations 1967 - 1968
For two years Robert received many visits in his bedroom at night. Extra-terrestrial entities crossed through the walls and surrounded his bed. Robert was paralyzed. The visitors were tall, blond, and thin with long arms. They were dressed in skin-tight jumpsuits open at the neck and wrists, with a metallic shimmer and a wide belt. They introduced themselves as scientists from another galaxy. They took a blood sample and told him they were interested in his genetic structure.
Over the next two years, Robert was mentally and physically prepared through these visits and instructed in yoga-like exercises. A man who presented himself as the “Guide” nicknamed him “Roro”. They were part of a Galactic Confederation in charge of maintaining life on planets inhabited like the Earth. At the end of the two years of night-time training, he was invited to accompany them back to their base on Earth and to serve as a donor of genetic material to populate a faraway planet. He was assured that everything would be taken care of and he wouldn’t lack anything.
January 1969 — Departure to Himalayan Base
A spacecraft came to pick him up in a field next to his farm. It was a large, flat vessel 65 feet long with a dome. It was red like hot iron, surrounded by a yellowish-orange cloud. It landed without touching the ground. A door opened and the “Guide” welcomed him. The craft took off, with no detectable motion. Robert was worried. The Guide showed him the wall had become transparent and Robert saw what he thought was Marseille.
They were at an altitude of 40,000 meters. The trip lasted less than an hour and they arrived at a subterranean base in the Himalayas. After a night spent in a bedroom with rounded walls. Robert was served coffee which tasted as if made by his mother. He put on an outfit resembling an overall of soft, tight-fitting material. It would be changed and regenerated for the capture of magnetic rays.
Two women introduced themselves: a "Biologist” and an “Ethnologist”. In the bedroom there was an eye-shaped device which was a kind of television in 3-D where he could see and hear everything happening at his home, and listen to his parents’ conversations.
Conference with Robert L. — 2012, Toulon, France
RL: The yoga session that you just saw, this is a yoga that I learned with the hosts, the Biologist and the Ethnologist: no music, no speech, holding the posture, the feeling. But it's a very different approach because I went to yoga classes in Rodez and it seemed less life-like, less interesting, I didn't learn this method at all. Concerning the actual testimony, I'd like to thank Mr.Metz and Mr. Venturini for the enormous amount of research they've done, especially concerning the pilots when I made an excursion in France in a spacecraft which was following a Mirage III.
It's true that, considering that forty years had passed, I wanted to find someone who could help me make this testimony known, as I was aware that it was something important. I think there are other people who have experienced things just as significant or more so, and who prefer not to make it known, unfortunately.
So we're going to step back forty years. The first time I learned that balls of light could exist, I didn't believe in them at first, it was in June 1966. I was coming back from a local festival in my car; it was about one in the morning. The light in the front yard was on. That wasn't normal, and I thought something must be up. Maybe an animal was ill, or someone was ill, something was wrong. My grandmother said to me, “My dear, there were balls of light moving around, and they rose from the field up to the house. We were afraid that they could start a fire.” She went to bed fully clothed. Obviously I took a look all around, but there was nothing.
It was haying season. We'd gone to bed and I didn't think about it anymore. Then in the first week of January 1967, I was pitching hay, and I saw my father going outside to take a look. He said, “Come and look, there are those balls...” So I quietly went out of the barn, but I couldn’t see anything. My father said, “They just went out. One minute we see them, the next minute they’re gone, they go out like a light switch.” And I went back to pitching hay to give to the animals the next morning.
After two or three minutes, he said “Come and look, come and look, they're back.” This time I rushed out and I saw this giant bullet-shaped vessel and the balls that were coming up from below. We saw the balls go up into the vessel; it was about 10:30 or 11:00 at night. And so the game continued until the morning when there were balls rising and one ball on the road.
I'd been running back and forth between the front yard and the back of the house. I kept watching the balls that were moving and the ball in the middle of the road. My father was starting to get old, and I said to myself that this couldn't go on: I had to do something about it. But what? So I thought: “You're going to go up to it on foot and catch it. But what if it's full of electricity; you'll be grilled like a sardine!” (Laughter) And suddenly I said to my dad: “I just had a great idea: I'm going to take the car, and I'm going to try to get closer.” I figured that when I approached it, I'd gun it and bump it with the fender.
So I took the car and checked if there was gas, and started it up. After about a hundred feet, I thought I must be seeing things: the ball was advancing—was it me or the ball that was advancing? In fact the ball was leaving. We went like that for about one or two miles, and then I started back. At about 300 feet before the intersection toward Villefranche de Rouergue, the ball was following me, and then it went off to the right into the trees.
Then I saw some sort of flying saucer with a double dome. There were silhouettes on the inside, that's all I saw. And the heat was increasing. All this happened at the same time, and then my motor started choking. I was used to driving and drove pretty fast. So what did I do: the motor wasn't accelerating, so I stepped on the clutch in case the car conked out. I have to say that at that time there weren't a lot of people who had cars: there was the parson, the teacher, the mayor, the deputy mayor who lived in the village next door, there weren't any other cars. And in the middle of the week, no one passed through in the night.
I was really hot, I felt like I was suffocating, my head was nodding and I couldn't remember anything, I lost consciousness. And when I came back to, I was lying in a ditch. I thought, “Now what are you doing here?” And the memories came back. I went back to my car and it started on the first try.
I went back home, and I saw my parents. There was light everywhere. “What are you doing here?” I said. “Do you know what time it is?” they said. “It's four in the morning. We've been waiting for hours.” So I said, “But why didn't you go to the neighbors to try to find me? The neighbor has a motorcycle.” “But my dear, there was one ball at the front entrance, and another at the back entrance, and they stayed for several hours, all the time in the same place. They only left when you came down the hill.” That meant about a quarter mile or thirty seconds before I arrived. And now I understood why they couldn't leave. I told my family that now we were going to go to bed, it was four o'clock in the morning.
A few days later, I was incredibly tired and had to sleep. I couldn't stand up straight. The fatigue hit me and I went up to my room. I couldn't work either, for the last few days. And then after that it was more intermittent. And then later, “they” came back again. I didn't write anything down, I should have written a lot of things down. I never had the presence of mind to note down these encounters, the dates they came. I don't know why. Maybe now I would have done it.
There were tractors that worked at night in the neighboring fields. And sometimes there was this big light: it looked like a motorcycle headlight. When the tractors had left, I looked at this headlight; I stared at this “thing”. It projected light, it got huge, and at that moment I felt I had to go back to my room. And a few minutes later, rather quickly, a light passed through the wall, and the room was all lit up. And people came in. Some days, I could count up to nine people. After that it was intermittent.
I was more or less conscious, sometimes semi-conscious, I don't know. One day, I noticed a bracelet around my arm that filled up with blood. I didn't feel anything. No pricking. And then after they left I slept really well. And the next day I went back to work of course. Then I was conscious, and they started to discuss something.
The “Guide” presented himself. I was small, he said, and he was “an ace”. I said, “Who are you? Are you God? Are you angels?” (Because you know, I was raised in the Catholic tradition.) He replied, “We aren't God, we aren't angels. We are humans. We belong to the human race, like you. There is a human race in the universe. We are explorers of the stars. On our planet, we are considered as scientists. We visit different galaxies, different worlds, different solar systems, and we study.”
And little by little, we started talking. “We're going to teach you a practice that you could call 'Yoga'. There are standards, but you don't have to worry about that: We're going to show you, and you're going to work, like us.” I started my first session of yoga, I think it was the Biologist who showed me in my room which wasn't very big, “I'm going to show you two exercises, and one breathing exercise.” I had three things to do.
GD: Robert, excuse me, you had health problems, you had serious migraines, and it was after this that “they” explained that there were ways—RL: Yes, it's true I had migraines. Sometimes when working on the farm I couldn't finish my work because I had to go lie down, I was throwing up, I took medicine, aspirin, Préfagil, Calmine: terrible migraines. I threw up, it was completely dark, I couldn't stand noises or anything.
The Guide told me: “We're going to propose a task for you; of course there will be compensation. Your migraines, we have techniques to take care of that for you. You are in excellent health. But there are a few adjustments to make. And sure enough, after that it improved rapidly.” So I started on the first of October 1968, my yoga session was at 10:30 at night.
The Guide asked me, “I'd like you to come with us, to a cave in India. It's fixed up with all the comforts, there's everything you need. The day that we tell you, if you follow us, you won't take anything, just your clothes, you'll go down to the bottom of the field on the day we tell you, at the hour we tell you, and we'll take care of everything.”
I didn't respond right away, but he came back later, and between October 1968 and the first week of January 1969 when I left, they came back rather often. So did I think about it? Why not? Why wouldn't I go? I thought maybe I would die. I didn't have a girlfriend, I hadn't seen much in life. I figured I had a chance to discover something I'd never see again. So I said I would go.
He said, “You continue your work, you continue your yoga practice, and the day we tell you, you'll go down to the bottom of the field, and we'll be there. You will wait at the foot of the cherry tree, but don't go any further, and when you see a column of yellow light, at that moment you can go forward." And that's what I did. The day of the departure, I went down to the bottom of the field, and I thought “Doggone it, you're going to get into a machine like that, and if you go too high— at school I learned that if you rose in altitude, there wasn't any air—and if there wasn't any air in this machine, I was going to die, I'd be screwed!
I was really anxious at that moment. And then I received a message very strong in my head, “But no, don't worry, everything is provided for, we guarantee your life, there won't be any problem for you.” So I went down the field, and I turned around at the foot of the cherry tree and I waited. All of a sudden I saw the sky opening up. I saw a big circle, and I saw what looked like another sky in the interior. The spacecraft passed through, and then it closed up again. Then it descended quickly. It did a big circle, and landed about 200 feet away. It rocked slightly at the back, I don't know if it touched the ground or not, it was nighttime. When I saw the yellow light, I approached it. At a few yards away I saw a sliding door. The spacecraft was lit by a white light. I saw a tall man who I recognized, because he had come to my bedroom.
I went up three steps. And I sat on a very comfortable chair, which surprised me at the time, now we make chairs like that here on Earth. I looked at where I had entered from, but I couldn't recognize the place where I'd entered because the door wasn't there anymore. I was trapped, closed in, couldn't get out. And it didn't move. I said, “We aren't leaving?” and they said, “We've already left!”
In front of me, or just below me a big panel became transparent, it looked like glass. I saw light below, a big city below, I wasn't sure but I thought it was Marseille. I got up, and sat down quickly. They said, “We're at 130,000 feet.” They didn't say whether we were above Marseille or not. But there was a town set back a bit, on the right. So we must have been veering to the east. The voyage lasted from about 50 minutes to an hour. Then the panel opened and I went out. It was a place not like here.
Everything was arched; there were no hard angles or anything. I was told where my bedroom was, that I had everything I needed. I was told to go to bed, and we'd see in the morning. The next morning I woke up, and there was coffee! The same taste as my mother's! It was like she'd brought it to me. And I felt a little more safe. We worked almost a whole year: there were yoga exercises, discussions, I read “Science and Life” (a French science magazine), some issues of “Science Lives You” at the time. I spoke about it to Jean-Claude Venturini, he even found some issues of “Science and Life”, one of them spoke about “quasars”, I had no idea what it was.
On the subject of yoga postures, I asked if there were names for what I was doing. They said it's not your business; all that counts is that you work, you have to work. We're going to give you work until the end of your life, and you still won't have finished. But you'll see, if you work well, when you are old enough to retire you'll realize you were given a magnificent treasure. It took me forty years, and now I'm beginning to realize it a little. But it's true that what I practice has nothing to do with what is practiced in yoga classes.
What else did I learn? Oh yes, I learned that our lives have twelve cycles of seven years each. The first three up to age 21, birth, growth, the minimum information to get along in life, and then from 21 to 64 where we achieve things or we don't, we try to lead a life as best we can. At 64 comes the age for the practice of mental yoga which I learned at the time but was told not to practice it until the age of retirement. And so I started to work on it, but it's rather difficult, it's daunting, but it allows you to go to a certain level of understanding, of personal growth, to be able to liberate yourself, to attain a certain liberation.
GD: Can you talk about what their motive was, why they needed you? RL: They told me I had certain genetic characteristics, which allowed them to populate, or repopulate, to bring certain elements of life to a planet that was in a state of extinction.
GD: Can you talk about two episodes, the “airplane”, and the famous meeting? RL: One evening the Biologist asked me, “Would you like to take part in a meeting where there would be groups of people from all over the universe, held in a special room? You've never been there and it would allow you to advance a little, to see how we work.” I said yes, why not. And at that moment there was a dispute between the Guide and this woman, the Biologist. At first he said no flatly, and they looked at each other face to face, there was an exchange without any words. And the Biologist turned to me and said, “Yes, you can participate on one condition, you'll sit where we tell you, you won't ask any questions, you won't say a word, and you won't move until the end.” “Not to worry,” I said, “you can count on me.”
It was a big oval-shaped room, there was an oval table, and about the same kind of chairs that you find in the space-crafts. There was nobody, and then suddenly, someone appeared. And it continued, there were nobody, and suddenly someone. I don't know how many seats there were, but there were quite a few. So the people, they were human beings, with yellow skin, red skin, black skin, people who looked like Chinese, people who looked like Indian tribes. And in the middle of the table, just above it, a huge ball, like a ball of light, and you could see different solar systems.
At one point I thought I saw a planet where three suns were evolving, and the Biologist who was next to me, she was probably afraid that I'd move or make a scene, she said to me, “You see, Roro, the Universe, it’s fantastic.” Sometimes the people looked at each other, they didn't speak. You could also see people in the sphere who looked like they were communicating with people in the room who were sitting in their seats.
There were times when some of them spoke with a guttural voice (imitates the sound), I didn't understand anything! And to see this big ball with the solar systems on the inside, I never saw anything like it again, it was magnificent, magnificent. It's true that the universe—you can see it's so much more beautiful and we are so much more than we can possibly think. We are absolutely extraordinary beings, the human race is extraordinary.
What else did they tell me? Something I want to emphasize, the fact that our own planet, it's not just ours. “You know, Roro,” they said, “you say that there are different ethnic groups, different races—No! There is one human race. People of color, with red skin, etc., they are varieties of the human race, but there is one human race in the universe. Of course, there are other races, but they don't have the same characteristics as the human race. They're just as intelligent, just as respectable.”
They also told me that they belonged to a sort of federation, a huge galactic federation where there are directors of planets, directors of solar systems. For the less-advanced systems, we don't speak about directors, but people who supervise. I understood that our planet was watched over continuously, 24 hours a day, 7 days a week. When I came back, it was right at the time of the trip to the moon. I learned that when I got back, because they hadn't talked to me about it.
I learned that we had been on the moon in 1969. In the 70's I often listened to the radio or TV programs and I saw scientists who said: there is only the earth, we are a unique experience, there is no other life in the universe, it doesn't exist. Other scientists, there was one, a commentator whose name I don't remember, who said, “We're certainly going to make bases on the moon, we're going to send spaceships there, and since there's less gravity there, we're going to launch from there” etc. etc.
The Guide told me: “You are conquerors, you are warriors. The leaders of your planet, civil or military, they are conquerors, they are go-getters, they are mentally ill. (He used this term “mentally ill”.) “You need to understand, as long as you go round in circles on your planet; we're going to let you go round. But when it comes to going elsewhere, we'll prevent you.” He looked at me and I guarantee he was serious. It seemed like it posed a problem for him. “We'll prevent you!” And so it didn't surprise me, when the Americans and the Russians wanted to construct bases on the moon I knew very well that they wouldn't. And time proved I was right. We never went there again.
GD: So he wanted to say that it if our leaders weren't so aggressive, they would agree to contact with us? RL: Yes, certain races, not they because they're far away in another galaxy, but there are other people of the human race in our galaxy who are members of the federation who have asked certain governments of Earth if they needed help. “We can help you.” The governments said no.
The governments also prohibited the publication of anything, the circulation of any information concerning other races in the universe. So what do these races do? It's very simple; they show themselves to the population. They go around and when we see them, they leave. They do it gradually, but more intensely as the years go by. They go across the Earth, and that's what seems to be the case now, as far as the testimonies I've heard. To get back to the scientists that I heard, I thought either they don't know anything, “discount” scientists as I like to call them, or they've been told not to reveal anything. There are two solutions. I think that the scientists aren't idiots, people who study the sky with telescopes, they're not idiots, or maybe they don't allow themselves to give out any information.
Concerning the trip to France aboard the spacecraft. It was October 27th, the day before the Biologist asked me, “Would you like to go on an excursion? We're going to take a trip to France.” I said why not. “So tomorrow we'll come to get you, and you'll be able to come, we'll go for a ride.” And the next day we took the elevator up to the platform, and there was a spacecraft, apparently it wasn't exactly touching the ground. So I approached it, there was the Biologist in the back, the Ethnologist to the side, and when I wanted to get in the spacecraft, there were people inside.
So she pushed me, “No, no don't be afraid; get in, nothing will happen to you. We're going for a ride and we'll be back.” There were different people, there was the pilot, there was a tall man who wasn't smiling; all at once I felt he looked mean. This one's going to eat me alive, what's going to happen to me? He was looking all around. He seemed to be feeling all the people around him. At one point he looked at me, and he looked away. The door closed, there was no metal at the bottom, and it was glass, so I could see the platform.
Then suddenly, I saw the Earth moving away rapidly. As we weren't moving, I thought I was going to vomit. And then I looked at the interior and saw the instruments. The man said to me, “We're above Italy. We're going down to 33,000 feet, reducing speed to about 600 miles per hour, and there you'll see two French fighter jets. We're going to approach them.” Then the spacecraft became transparent, like we were in a glass bubble. And he said, “Look.” I saw the jet which was far away, and then suddenly it was there, we flew down and got behind the plane, a Mirage. Then I could see its instrumental panel appear on our screen, like something on a computer! And the Guide said, the instrumental panel is displayed, that’s good.
So we passed it on the right, ascended to its level, about 200 feet away. We were going at the same speed, and then we passed over it and under it, following it. At one point I saw the pilot who turned his head slightly to the right, so he saw us. And I saw two letters on the plane: FB. I remembered that. And the Guide wanted that imprinted in my mind. I looked, and because he wanted me to look, I tried not to look.
Then the plane turned slightly to the right, towards us, like it was coming toward us. And suddenly I saw the plane become like a point. The Guide said, “If we hadn't left, the plane would have encrusted itself in the energy field of our spacecraft and it would have gone, like confetti, in a single second.” And I said, “What if they'd shot at us?” “There's no problem, because when the energy field is on, no element, solid, liquid or gas can penetrate the spacecraft. However, we don't have the right to destroy a vessel.
If we destroy one, we would be severely reproached by our hierarchy.” So I understood that there would be sanctions. I understood that when a jet followed them, they preferred to escape rather than destroy the vessel. They're very respectful of the human race here. Where they’re from, they don't destroy their people, even if they're not from their home.
To get back to the races, they told me there is the human race, the cat is a race, the dog is a race, and the cow is a race. But they're different. There are cats with long hair, cats with short hair. There are big ones, others that are small, with dogs it's the same. And the dog race is not the wolf race even though they look alike. So I understood that we here on Earth, we have wars because we detest other groups, ethnic or otherwise, even though we all belong to the human race.
GD: If you hadn't met these people, you would have remained an “uninformed” farmer in Aveyron. A long family tradition, in fact things changed when you came back. RL: It's true that I was destined to take over the farm. They said, instead of working the soil, you're going to work with other humans. It happened somewhat later, but it happened. My father and I were ready to sign for the succession of the farm, and I refused. I disappointed my father. But he finally understood, and it's true it was a big disappointment. I did a little construction work, and then made a request to train as a health care assistant at the Rodez hospital, and that's how I began there.
I wanted to work in the geriatric ward because I was fascinated with death. It came from experiences I had with them, it didn't come from me but from a machine they had. They could exteriorize the true being from the physical body. That helps me a lot at the moment. I'm not afraid. You can see your physical body lying down somewhere when you're just beside it, for example. Or sit on your own lap. That seems funny, doesn't it! So I worked at the Rodez hospital. I saw a lot of people die and it allowed me to see how people feel when they pass over, what the people saw at the moment of transition. It's very special. Maybe I helped some people, reassuring them.
Because “leaving the body” is very peculiar. Sometimes the transition phase happens very quickly, sometimes it lasts a long time, and people are in comas. I studied the intermediate stages a lot. It's what they asked me to do, too. I worked on it because I understood that sharing these moments and intermediate states was extremely important. I open a door, I try to see where I'm at in a hall, I'm between two systems, I stay there, what does it mean when I stay there and don't move? It's the fear of moving forward, the fear of the unknown. And once the people have passed and have regrouped, they're happier than the people who stay.
I saw a person one day, someone showed me, it was an image someone brought back to me when I was in India, and they showed me a man who was going to die, in Africa. They said, observe what's going to happen. The man's anxiety, he felt he was going to die, he was very ill, he was terrified, maybe it's that way with everybody, we're so afraid. There was his African family grouped together and then, he left his body. I saw him afterward, he said, “it’s fantastic! I'm living.” And he saw his body, and you know what he did? He burst out laughing, “My God, it's incredible, it's fantastic”, and to his family he said “you deal with it” and he was gone.
GD: Getting back to your life at the base. You could see your parents' house. Thanks to the work of Jean-Claude Venturini, we could verify that the base site was true, for example concerning the timing of the meals. Can you explain how you could see your parents' house when you were there?
RL: Yes, I told them I wanted to know what my parents were up to, so they installed a device for me that looked like an eye. There were three buttons. I didn't touch them much because I'm not very good at electronics, I was afraid of breaking it and would have to call them and they'd be pissed off. I saw from above, I saw their car. I only had to approach and I could see what was happening inside the house. I saw my parents eating. One day I even saw them fighting. I thought, no way—at their age? There was a big tree. They told me that they had put some sort of device on this tree. I saw the town, a little bit above the roofs, as if it was raised a bit. It's true that changed my life. It wasn't always easy, there were times I was anxious and lonely, too. I felt pretty isolated. One or two years after my return from India, I was at a local festival, there was a guy at Villefranche de Rouergue who had a Citroën DS (French luxury car). “Leave your car here and let's go to Caussade, there's a nightclub there, we can dance.” I said why not. I didn't know this guy very well. So we went dancing. However, I didn't drink alcohol and he didn't either. After that we came back, everything cool, it was about one in the morning, and suddenly there was a huge shock.
I was lost in thought, and he hit his head on the steering wheel or I don't know what, his nose was bleeding, the headlights were on, and he said, “I don't know what's happening, the car stopped all of a sudden.” Me, I hadn't touched anything, so we got out of the car and we moved ahead to see what was lighting up the headlights of the DS. There was a drop of about 100 feet, and we were about a yard away from it! I looked at him. At first I didn't feel the shock, nothing was wrong with me. He looked at me, stepped back about a yard like he was going to fall.
He said, “I'm afraid of you. You drive, you drive, I don't want to drive anymore.” So I drove his car and we went back. He said, “I don't ever want to see you again. I don't know who you are, I'm afraid of you.” I wasn't aware of making him afraid. I was just looking at him, I didn't even tell him we just about got ourselves killed. Nothing. I don't know what happened there. We were really just stopped suddenly, and he cracked I'm telling you.
GD: I'd like to go back to a certain point. When you invited us, at first it surprised me; you said you had received the authorization to receive all three of us. As soon as we arrived, you gave us the famous message. Now you can't say that you had a university education, and this message was so well-written with hardly any mistakes, where exactly did it come from, how did you do it?
RL: Yes, it was a pretty long message, to describe like that a whole year's experience; I wasn't sure how to do it. I felt more and more pressured to do it so I got behind the computer, and not a word, not one word, a total vacuum. I didn't know what I was going to write. And when I opened Word, I was ready to type, and suddenly the words came, it happened really fast, I didn't re-read anything, and I had to keep up. I don't type very fast; I'm not very good at it. Sometimes I wondered what I was going to write, I had an idea, then it was gone. Then it came back and it came back and it came back. I worked for about twenty minutes, it went really fast and then suddenly it stopped. I reread it and I thought, this corresponds to what I experienced. It was done directly, even though I didn't have any idea how to organize it.
GD: You could see the page that I presented, it's structured, it's all like that. There's the “Biologist”, the “Ethnologist”, everyone with his own part, and it gives an idea about how they conceive their society, the way they live, and it's very instructive. Anyway, it came to you like that, it's very surprising. We received this paper, like this, it's he who wrote it, like under the influence.
RL: Yes, that's true, to find words like that I'd be surprised, and I've practically forgotten, I'll have to do it again. I wouldn't be able to do it again. GD: Buy the book! (Laughter)
Open Questions From the Audience.
Q: What was it like when you returned home? RL: I'd lost the habit of life on the farm, so a few weeks before I left I was anxious. The day came, there was the Biologist, the Ethnologist, the Guide, we came back, to the same field, practically the same place, I'd say even to the millimeter. I was getting out; the Guide gave me an envelope, a yellow envelope from the post office. “You take this, it's a compensation for the work you did there.” And I gave the two women a kiss. I almost had tears in my eyes because they had been so nice.
It hurt to leave these people. So I went back up to the farm, and when I arrived in the front yard, my father was waiting for me! I was surprised, I had expected to find the door locked, I thought I was going to have to sleep in the hay, no big deal. “I received a letter yesterday saying you'd be back today about 10:30pm.” “Oh really,” I said, “it wasn't me who sent you the letter.” It's the same thing; I should have saved the letter to see where it came from. It's incredible. Or they have a way of making you forget things.
GD: Your father knew about the voyage, but your mother didn't, you told her something. RL: Yes, my mother, I told her before I left for the cave—I wasn't going to tell my mother that I was going to leave with some extra-terrestrials, she'd have a heart attack, the poor lady! So I told her that I was going to work in Paris and that I wouldn't stay in touch, I wouldn't write because I wouldn't have the time.
So she believed that I went to work in Paris for the SNCF (train company) or somewhere. I told my father that I was leaving with them, and he wasn't surprised. But I have the impression that my father also had more experience than he would admit. He seemed like he was “in the know” about certain things.
GD: And what was in the envelope? RL: There were 100 franc bills in the envelope, 27,000 francs worth (5,000 dollars). I asked them why they gave me this compensation and where it came from. The Guide said, “There are people here on Earth, smaller, who look like human beings and work in military bases, or in high technology companies who have salaries. And we're organized on the planet.” 27,000 francs at the time, it wasn't bad! With that I bought a car, it was a Ford, I still drive a Ford, I remained loyal to the make!
Q: Have you kept contact with them over the last 40 years, and what is the contact like? Does everyone speak French? RL: When I was with the Biologist, the Ethnologist and the Guide, they spoke to me in French. I noted often that they communicated with each other without speaking at all. Sometimes with maintenance people there was a “Hi there”, a smile, but nothing more.
Q: Do you feel protected since your return? And what was their feeling about the future of the planet; did they see anything positive or negative about its future? RL: We spoke about it a little. What they said is that we were in the process of destroying our beautiful planet. Now looking back, and now I'm speaking from the present moment, our planet is going to take a deep breath, like it's done maybe for thousands of years.
A planet breathes, it lives, it hears. Sometimes I hear it; I listen to it, because if we want to get in contact with the universe, we have to know how to listen, and above all to be quiet. We have to distance ourselves from noise. It's then that you'll see that birds come to you, animals come to you, even aggressive animals, they'll come to you without hurting you. And I feel that the planet is in the process of taking a deep breath, and by taking this breath, it's something I sense deeply, this breath will come out of its center and it's going to rise, which means that tectonic plates are going to move, and there'll be repercussions on the surface of the planet. It sounds weird, a planet that breathes, that lives. It hears, we can send it our thoughts, in a way we can say it's a mother, it's our mother.
Q: How do you feel about the possibility that you are the father of hybrid children on other planets? And what did you eat at the base? RL: I don't know. I guess I refuse to think about it, I don't know. They gave me this information; they never gave me the means to verify it. So what we ate at the base, it was a kind of food made from little marbles which could be chewed easily. There were some that had the taste of meat, of grains, that were pretty good to eat. It was pretty nourishing because I didn't feel hungry. How it was manufactured, I don't know.
Q: Why did this happen to you in particular? RL: Why me and not someone else? Rest assured, I don't think I'm the only one; others have maybe had different experiences. It's not the same for everybody. A lot of people don't want to talk about it. Me, I was asked to do so. If I hadn't I wouldn't be here tonight. If they hadn't asked me to give the message forty years later, I wouldn't have said anything. Maybe I also thought that if I refused to follow their orders, what would happen to me? After all, they were so insistent; I figured maybe it was best to carry it through to the end. I have the idea that I'm not afraid of death, but well...
Q: I respect your story, the only thing I want to say is that the message you say you received, a lot of people on this planet of which you are a part say they have received the message by contemplation, spirituality, meditation. So what is special about your experience? RL: I don't know. Maybe it's up to you to tell me. Maybe by circulating the information in different ways, either by books, meetings or other ways, maybe it can touch other people.
Q: Regarding what my wife just said, do you take yourself for an “Initiated”? RL: Initiated in what? No, not at all. I'm not an initiated in anything. It's a term I don't even understand. How do I see it? Life is an evolution. The human race must evolve. I was asked to do a job, I wasn't asked to act like God the Father or anything else. I was asked to work. To work in order to advance. We're going to talk about components made from certain spheres, when we access it, and when we feel it, broad spheres, not superior spheres—superior compared to what? It's about raising the consciousness; it's far from being sufficient. It begins there. After, there's all the rest, there's not only that. Evolution in the universe, it's not only that.
GD: You have to remember that Robert was chosen for his genetic qualities, and did a favor. They did him a favor too, by giving him exceptional health, by making him aware that humanity, our humanity, needs to be rethought on other levels, and that later he could communicate his experience, which is certainly limited, but which could contribute later to the awakening of all our consciousness. It doesn't go any further.
Q: Concerning the different stages of life. I think you said that there were 7 or 9 stages; can you elaborate on this a bit? RL: Yes, there are 12 stages of 7 years each. 7 times 12 that makes 84. There are 3 stages up to the age of 21 which allow us to advance, then there are the stages when we're sort of cast out to life, where we construct our life, our house, we have children, we raise them, etc. and then life, from 63 to 84, during these 21 years we must consolidate our lives and think about our future if you like, make an assessment of our life, try to grow, because we have the time on the mental level, that's why since I was 63 I began to work a little on mental yoga, the mental yoga that they also taught me.
They taught me more or less what to do when I was in India; they said this part you won't do until you have retired. So, since we're on the subject let me elaborate: given the fact that the body becomes old, this form of mental yoga allows you to be able to expand a bit to another part of the universe, you exteriorize your personal self so to speak the true “being” of your physical body.
I had special exercises. They also showed me that it could be extremely dangerous—they could lead you of course to good results, but also to dangerous results if badly practiced. They showed me at the time how far you could go, what happened after a certain exercise, what happened after another exercise. But obviously these exercises, I can't say what they were because I don't have the authority to reveal it, could cause more bad than good. But it can show us when we practice it, that we humans are absolutely phenomenal, fantastic, and there's no end to freedom. If we have constraints, it's we who create them, we constrain ourselves to stay where we are.
I'll give you a little exercise I'm doing at the moment. You try improving your memory. I do visualization, and then I maintain the thought in my head, give energy to the thought, and then project the thought. A while ago I wanted to make an experiment at Villefranche de Rouergue by a big supermarket, just to verify if this technique worked. Maybe you'll say it's not very honest what I did, but I didn't do anything wrong to anyone. I picked out a woman coming out of the store and a friend of hers was waiting in the car. So she came out to go to the car. I projected the thought, “You're not going to go to the car, you're going to go back to the store”. And how surprised I was (I had injected this thought as hard as I could) this woman turned around and went back in the store.
And when she was back inside, I thought; “Now you're going to turn around and go back to the car.” She went about ten feet, then she turned around and went back to the car. And I said, “Now you're going to go around the car.” And she went around the car, and said to her friend (I wasn't very far away and could hear), “My God, my head is spinning, I don't know what's wrong with me.” So I said to myself, I'll never do this again. Do you understand how far we can go? It's great but you have to be careful—you put these exercises in the hands of people and you see what you could do.
I did another experiment with a friend I had seen at the UFO Meeting in Châlons. This time I was in particularly good shape. I said to myself, “Okay, you're sitting here on this chair, and you're going to place your body, you're going to eject yourself from it and try to go meet him.” I don't even know where he lives, but I visualized his town, and lo and behold one day this man writes to Georges Metz: “I don't know what happened to me, I was in a waiting room at the doctor's and I saw Roro, I saw him with red eyes that looked at me, and I was afraid.” And after that he was looking for me everywhere. Apparently I had evaporated like a hare, because when I realized that he was terrified, I got out of there. So two experiments to show you just how dangerous it can be, because humanity isn't ready for this. But that being said, a lot of people do it.
Q: I'd like to ask about their physical aspect. You said they were very tall, and also, in your opinion where did they come from? RL: They said they came from a neighboring galaxy. Maybe it's been detected by now, I don't know, but at the time, they said the galaxy they came from wasn't known to our scientists. As to their appearance, they looked more or less like us; they were white, about six and a half feet tall, except for the arms which are longer than ours. And the eyes were like our Japanese or Chinese, but not horizontal like us, they were slightly slanted.
Q: They had hair? RL: Yes, they had hair. Q: The women too? Were they pretty? RL: Oh yes, very beautiful. I almost fell in love. (Laughter) GD: At one point they described how their engines functioned and there's an explanation in the book for what it's worth, it's good, they try to explain fairly in depth how their spaceships work and the different types they use.
RL: Yes, that's right I asked them about that because they are spacecraft which can remain in the air without limit. They made me a drawing and explained that under the spaceship there is a big circle with two rings, rotating in opposite directions. That produces energy, enough for an atomic bomb. They said it was unlimited. They said that their technicians could remove the engine in my Peugeot in less than an hour and replace it with a little box much smaller than the engine. I could then drive around without gas as long as it worked, and when my car finally broke down, the little box would still work.
Q: It's the principal of free energy? RL: I don't know what it's called. Q: How can they come from so far away? RL: They come from so far because they said they don't travel in a straight line, they don't like straight lines. They said they were more clever than that, they pass through a kind of corridor. They said if it's rather long, you can compress time, you go backwards and that allows you to arrive in the amount of time you want and much faster.
Q: A simple question: one year is a long time. What was your typical day like? RL: A typical day of work—in the morning I washed and had breakfast. We had a session of yoga, then I went for a walk. We discussed things, they taught me things, I think I forgot most of it, I should have noted it down.
Q: Their writing? Their alphabet? RL: No, I only saw the sign, a symbol you could say, it's in the book. No, I don't have a response for everything. In fact I believed that there were other people, too. I even asked them if they'd contacted a lot of people. They said that the Federation had contacted about 300,000 people on the planet at the time.
Q: So what are the consequences for humanity? RL: I think that what I'm going to say, everyone can sense it—that we're under surveillance 24 hours a day, that they're watching us, they prevent us from doing certain things, they prevent us from going into space I think. They told me, as long as your behavior is aggressive, as long as you want to finance things at all costs, as long as you want to destroy your world, you will destroy it. And since you are capable of destroying another, we have to keep an eye on you.
Q: Do you think they have already been introduced into certain milieus, that they're already on the Earth? RL: Absolutely, I think that everybody is aware of that. Yes, the military knows about it. Q: Do they spy, do they observe? Do they report things? RL: Yes, but you know, they have the means. I won't get into it, no, I don't have the authority to reveal any information.
Q: Why wait 40 years to deliver your message? RL: Because if I had delivered it at the time, with certain things I would maybe have been committed to an insane asylum. Q: So for 40 years, what contacts have you had? RL: No, I already said, I haven’t had any contact, but I had another way of working. Understand who will!
Q: When you say they forbid us from leaving the planet, it's a bit strange, because what's happening at the moment with the space station, and we've gone from the nuclear threat of the last 50 years to, just the contrary, a brotherly collaboration if you will with our advanced technology. So what is the danger, what would be the danger for others?
RL: You would need to explain what happened at the American nuclear site. So while in space there's a third dimension, God that is, and it's like—I think if they had let us, the military, the scientists, do what we wanted, I think there would be a lot of damage and maybe we'd have a hard time eating.
GD: There's an indirect proof of this surveillance, you explained to us in the book, that they wouldn't hesitate to neutralize the American and Russian atomic sites. Now there was a conference not long ago in Washington where high-ranking military explained that this happened. We already knew it, but they admitted it in a press conference and so I think that it's clear that this surveillance is really happening and even in France, near Plateau d'Albion, there is very strong testimony to the same effect.
Q: So that’s it—there won't be any more conflict! RL: I don't know. This is how I see it: it’s true there are wars, conflicts, and as long as we are still limited, it’s not bothering them too much but they see that we are capable of destroying ourselves, so what else are we capable of destroying? You only destroy the physical support. When somebody dies, he's taken care of, because we're not capable. They talked to me about the Second World War, there were millions of dead, people die all the time. It's the physical support.
Humanity lacks humility, because we always want to analyze things, even judge what happens in the beyond, with our knowledge which has been extremely out of date for a long time. We have nothing to do with their science, with their technology, with their spirituality. This is the big problem of human beings on Earth. Our economic system only functions if we produce more, we're consumers, we have to consume, if we don't consume the system collapses. Their organization isn't like that. That's why we search for shale oil, that's why we drill holes in the planet, that's why we bleed it to death, and that's why after a while it starts to get sick of it. It's going to take a deep breath. You'll see how humanity's going to be ejected.
Q: But maybe they'll help us in that case? Why don't they give us the key if they have it? RL: The key! It's simple—we are the key—it's up to our leaders to see to it that the system is abandoned. The system isn't good. Another thing I noticed that no one talks about, no one will talk to you about it, even me I shouldn't talk about it.
Q: Excuse me; I'd like to make a remark because you say that the extra-terrestrials that you met don't want us to leave the planet to go elsewhere because of our past and our psychology, our defects if you will. So we know as well as the American cosmonauts who talked about it 40 years later that we're not welcome on the moon, but at the same time, they come to get human genetic material to implant it on other planets, so they're sure to bring them war and destruction. I don't understand.
RL: It's not complicated, the physical body—it's genetics, but the spirit that lives in the physical body is maybe completely different. The mind-set, the mentality, it's up to each one to build it, to modify it. Q: Do you have the spirit of a warrior? RL: Yes. It's up to each one to modify his or herself, you have to begin by knowing yourself, by changing yourself, by studying yourself. Is my way of projecting myself in the universe, my manner of living, of relating to others going to produce a n negative effect—we can expand on that for hours.
Q: At one point you spoke of transit, can you say a bit more about changing one's state of consciousness? RL: I think the people need it explained to them. There's a lack, because you have to work on the mental—that demands a lot of technique which I learned. I was talking a while ago about the level of concentration and the projection of thought, so it demands work. You have to look at what you're doing, and that can be dangerous during a transit or a trip. If you want to project your mental body into your true body, there'll be a loss of energy in the physical body that means there's a transfer.
After a certain time, you'll arrive at a point zero. I call it the “zero point”. At the zero point you have a false energy in the mental body, and practically none in the physical body. So if you want to move your arm, your arm won't move because there's no energy left, you understand, so it causes panic, if there is panic in the energy, the heart accelerates or slows down and you risk a heart attack, you risk death. I learned to work with this in India.
It's not a joke. There are people who ask me to teach it to them; no, I can't, not only am I not authorized to do so, I wouldn't do it. As much as it's effective, if it's badly done it's dangerous. Even I am very, very careful, especially with others because you have to respect people, respect who they are. If you go to their home like that, we don't go to people's homes incognito. We can move around in the universe, all over the place, you get information, but it's the silence. I've become a servant of silence.
Q: Do you have other revelations concerning the near future, and your mission? RL: That will depend on the evolution of humanity, it will depend if there are conflicts, if the planet starts moving, it won't depend just on me. At the moment, maybe there will be thousands of people who are going to stand up to calm and improve the human condition. I have to say it. If not, with a simple ball an inch or so in diameter, they can destroy all life on the planet in less than fifteen minutes. You know they won't do it. It's not their role and they don't have the right anyway. That's not done anymore; maybe it was done millions of years ago when there were a lot of planets in the development phase. Now there are a lot of planets which are in a state of great evolution and all that, all those wars are finished.
Q: Unless I'm wrong, all during your speech you made reference to the scientific community, so I would like to know if at the time that you saw the spacecraft on your property behind the house, and when for example they arrived in your room, did you note the hour, some details, etc.? At the place where this cigar thing touched down, was the scientific community aware of it, did they come, were any measurements taken? You yourself saw the grass crushed. You said that it was very hot, so maybe a burn?
RL: No, I never thought of looking for all that. Q: When you were in discussion with these people, you spoke a lot about life, but according to them, is there life after death? RL: Yes, of course. It's simply—even religions say it, it's a bit crude—it's the separation of the spirit from the body. What is the spirit, it's the true being. When we expand our circle we are absolutely marvelous beings. We have to work first of all. It will come in good time. You realize it took me forty years.
We're not far. Scientists are not far now from creating a device which permits you to follow along as the mental body and the true body separate. I think we're not far off. In what year are they going to do that—in 30 years? Maybe in 30 years the human race will have advanced. You know at the time they told me we were so aggressive we were going to destroy ourselves; they were obliged to intervene simultaneously at Russian and American nuclear bases.
Q: Did your visitors give you any information about 2012? RL: No, nothing.
Excerpts from ‘Ovnis en France’
RL: I was raised in the Catholic religion, the priest told us that those who did not follow this religion would never see God, and that children who weren’t baptized wouldn’t go to heaven. What should I believe?
GUIDE: All that is the nonsense of those who represent the religions and think that theirs is the best. Roro, there is what people think, and what is for us the order of the Universe. What we call the order of the Universe is the group of all the laws and the manifestations of nature which govern life: birth, aging, death, the movement of the planets, their creation, their organization, their evolution, the movement of the solar systems, from the greatest to the most miniscule molecule. All that has nothing to do with the sectarianism and the pride of the various representatives of the world’s religions. You, as well as all the creatures from whatever universe, belong to a plan organized by the energetic forces which go way beyond anything you could conceive on Earth: yes Roro, you are a child member of the Universe and you have a role to play.
We are proposing to you a close collaboration with us, of course it won’t be easy for you, instead of being a farmer as you wanted, we are going to propose a training and practice of techniques which are going to transform you quickly. We need you for an important mission which is going to allow a planet far away in another galaxy to progress. In exchange we’re going improve your health, I believe you suffer from terrible migraines; we’re going to take care of that if you want. You have everything to gain. We’re going to come to see you often. In return we ask you not to speak of this to anyone. Absolute silence and we know that we can count on you. RL: It’s true that I have terrible headaches, but if you come often, the neighbors are going to notice with the powerful lights of yours.
BIOLOGIST: We are populating a new planet in our galaxy and for that we need people with different physical characteristics with regard to blood groups, and other characteristics of the composition of human cells for the repopulation. It starts from a distant level, then during centuries and millenniums the blood relations become closer, diminishing the solidity of the race after thousands of years of inbreeding, and leading to massive destruction of entire populations. This requires large-scale cross-fertilization, or the modification of the framework of the physical body. RL: At the time I didn’t understand, but now I think she was talking about the human genome.
GUIDE: Your planet is mistreated. The extraction of various minerals, coal and petrol risks ultimately modifying the magnetic field of the planet. At the same time the Earth will be passing through a zone of turbulence in space. Nothing stops. All the planetary systems reposition, some further away, others approach, the dance of the Universe. Universes die, others are born. Your governments are afraid of us.
Why? Are they uncomfortable not being alone in the Universe? They know very well that we don’t want to harm any inhabitants; they are partially aware of the capacity of our technology. Why don’t they want to tell the citizens? They ridicule the reports of those who have seen us and have spoken up. So the Interplanetary Confederation decided to show our capacity to the greatest number of people possible. The world over needs to know that we exist and that Manifest Intelligence is everywhere in the Universe.
RL: Will there be contact later? GUIDE: The directors of the solar systems will decide, but only in the next century (that is, the 21st century). Our planet, as well as those who have access to a high level of technology are managed by a planetary government, and this is controlled by a group of “scientists”, citizens who have significant experience in most of the domains which concern our life. These scientists who we call “soul pollsters” form a network throughout the entire solar system.
They can read the deepest and most secret thoughts. They see people not as they wish to be seen, but as they really are. These scientists are greatly feared by our inhabitants, and even by our directors, because with their thoughts they can manipulate matter. They have a particular status, and don’t need a vessel for travelling. In our worlds, dissent, disobedience, cheating with respect to our morals or our code of ethics is severely punished.
On the other hand we have of course great individual liberty: to walk about, visit other planets. Most of the inhabitants of our worlds have visited planets more or less evolved. Sometimes travel is organized in enormous vessels to visit various systems organized in other worlds. Conflicts, wars, but also what is good in these organizations is studied and shown to our people, as comparison. They realize that any deviation from what has been established for us is ultimately very dangerous.
The necessity of order, of discipline, desire to progress and to be useful. Laziness is not permitted with us. Each one works according to his own competence. Each one must accept a job which corresponds to his skill. If he wants a job inferior to his capacity, his advantages will be less than for one who would accept a job corresponding to his capacity. The purpose is to continue ascending. The births on our planet do not happen by chance. They are discussed, evaluated. They are programmed according to genetic components, to need, to the number of inhabitants. Everything is organized. At a certain age, children enter evaluation centers, followed by training. They leave their parents at about twelve years of age, to assume the task they have been assigned.
They took him on a tour of the cave which was actually a base with several floors, constructed over 3000 feet below the earth. It was surrounded by a triple magnetic belt which insulated and protected the base from earthquakes. There were numerous rooms. An elevator opened onto a platform in the open air where he could go in the evening, though he was accompanied. The terrain was rugged with high snowcapped mountains. The Guide demonstrated how he could disintegrate a tree with a ball-like device which he carried with him at all times.
The space-crafts accessed the base by way of a snaking tunnel with a funnel shaped entrance situated lower in the valley. It opened onto an immense hangar where the space-crafts and personnel were located. Robert saw vessels entering from 90 feet away. He was permitted to walk around the interior of the base, except for certain zones.
One day he forced entry into the rooms containing nuclear, magnetic and electric fields. He was pushed back by an invisible wall. Daily life at the base Robert was taken care of by the Biologist who explained to him nicely what was expected of him: a regular sperm donation. This operation, destined to populate a planet, took place every two days.
There were conversations between the Guide and the Ethnologist about our Earth civilizations. Of particular interest was our behavior and how we treated the planet. They gave him much advice on physical and mental health. He received regular yoga instruction. Despite their politics of benevolence and noninterference and their respect for “free will”, caution would be taken regarding nuclear dangers. In case of nuclear conflict, intervention was possible.
Robert observed an ambience of peace and harmony at the base. The occupants seemed to master perfectly the present and the future. Everything was planned to the smallest detail. Order and discipline seemed to be the motto. It was said that the extra-terrestrials were 20,000 years ahead of our civilization. They explained the Universe to him as well as interstellar communication. Thanks to Dr. Jean-Noel Aubrun
Meeting of Galactic Federation
At one point the Biologist invited Robert to observe a meeting. He was ordered to remain perfectly quiet and simply to observe. The room was equipped with a big oval table, and he watched in surprise as one by one the guests of different races began to materialize around the table. People appearing in 3-D had discussions with the guests about suns and the movement of spacecraft between the planets.
The Guide also gave Robert information on time and space and the magnetic energy needed for travelling. The Guide told him he was able to live four to five hundred years before changing bodies, and that death didn’t exist. The only thing that counted was the perpetual evolution of the soul. The body was only a container.
October 2005—Revelation at European UFO conference
At the first European UFO conference in Châlonsen-Champagne (France) in October 2005, Robert revealed his story. The Guide had told him to keep the story secret for 40 years. Robert believes he has a foreign implant in his back. During the conference, another contactee with paranormal abilities, examined him and found something moving under Robert’s skin which emitted an electric charge into the hands of the therapist at the moment of a camera flash, followed by an intense vibration in his back. Robert does not wish the implant to be removed.
Examination of Robert L.’s implant. Volunteer to ET project, Robert L. “Once we have made enough progress to go to the moon, Mars and further, we must go with an open mind, with no desire to conquer. The Guide told me that we would be under surveillance. That if aggressive ideas germinate in the minds of astronauts, they’ll be prevented from carrying out their plan. ‘You must come in peace, with sincerity, honesty, and humility. If not, we will stop you.’
All the conversations we had at the base come back to me. We have a long road in front of us before we can liberate ourselves from enslavement, big or small. Of course, we mustn’t reject everything; we need to keep what seems good to us. We won’t change our mode of thinking so easily, which is often egotistical and egocentric. UFO research is a good thing. The overall mentality and opinions on the subject are changing rapidly. The arcane secrets are beginning to open up gradually. It’s better to go slowly and go far. When the majority of the planet is ready, there could be a possibility of encounter. The Guide’s word."
THE BIG PICTURE
Thanks for the heavenly message brought by thee,
Child of the wandering sea . . .From thy dead lips a clearer note is born . . .
Trough the deep caves of thought I hear a voice that sings---
Build the more stately mansions, O my soul!
As the swift seasons roll!
Leave thy low-vaulted past!
Let each new temple, nobler than the last.
Shut thee from heaven with a dome more vast,
Till thou at length art free,
Leaving thine outgrown shell by life’s unresting sea!
Oliver Wendell Holmes
If we don’t understand or have an accurate roadmap of the terrain to orientate ourselves we are essentially lost. We have already discussed the Hawkins’ map of consciousness as one model or map of where we are and where we want to go. However what we really want to do is develop a much more comprehensive model of all of reality that not only incorporates the map of consciousness but all eternal and corporal life in general. Such a model or map to navigate our eternal evolutionary path, must I think, incorporate the evidence of reincarnation, OBE and NDE, psychoactive drugs, yoga disciplines, meditation, extraterrestrial contact and now consciousness science.
Such a comprehensive model is important for ordinary navigation in our holographic world as we travel about the country but it is also important for navigating our evolutionary process from where we are “lost” to where we want to go that brings “enlightenment”. We find ourselves “lost” in life because the model we have developed though our life is faulty and we end up where we don’t want to be, the same as if we are traveling about the country with a faulty roadmap. Therefore the solution is deprograming or deconstructing the faulty model that we have been born into through societal conditioning and indoctrination to replace it with a more adequate one.
This is a difficult process especially when we think our model is fine and that our world is just screwed up or the people in it are just wrong. It takes a lot of suffering before we stop blaming others and our external world, to begin to recognize that the problem really is within having to do with a faulty model of reality. But what seems to happen is that as we suffer, the faulty model begins to disintegrate and we often become confused and disorientated in our relation to others. There are feelings of impending death and even suicidal thoughts as we think that only death may relive us of our suffering.
It’s only after the old model has disintegrated and we have evolved a new, better model of the universe that we realize what happened and that it was not us dying but the old model. I remember very well going through this process about 45 years ago as a young man. I was around twenty at the time and I still remember a dream I had in which I reached out to the old man in the dream and when I touched him I felt sadness as he dissolved. It was the feeling of loss of an old part of me, (the familiar old model) that had to die so that a new unknown unfamiliar part could arise.
The disintegration of the old model was painful and took several years to deconstruct and it took another several years to construct the new model of reality. At this point I never looked back as I left my mental and emotional suffering behind never to return. John Lilly’s book The Human Bio-computer and the series of books by Carlos Castaneda were helpful to me during this period to break the old life model and build a new one.
In addition, the very limited and careful use of psychoactive drugs during this short period, were essential in breaking down my faulty model of reality during this difficult period. Books like The Doors of Perception by Aldous Huxley provided guidance and support in the disintegration process, while books and teaching by Yogananda and Maharishi Yoga mentored the model rebuilding process.
I believe in the 1970s I read maybe as many as a thousand books during the winter months when I was home alone at my cabin on Birdsong Plantation and not working in Alaska. Even when I was working on the Alaska Pipeline I would bring up a box of informative books every year that I would read on the job when I was not driving along with a box of the music of that period on cassette tapes.
I read as far back as Plato, the Hindu, Christian, Buddhist, Muslim scriptures, even The Egyptian and Tibetan Book of the Dead. I had the benefit of mentoring by those long dead and those still alive because this wisdom was put into writing. This understanding is a powerful driver now that I near the end of this life because I realize the benefit to others that books pass on to new generations to build upon.
All this generation of wisdom was incorporated into my new model of reality along with the study of extraterrestrial contact, NDE, OBE and reincarnational experiences that laid out the new big picture model in which to orientate myself in life. In spite of the hardship and chaos of our historical period, it is possible to gather to one’s self wisdom and knowledge today that would be impossible to gain in any other period in the past thousands of years. Of course that is if one can free one’s self and escape drowning in today’s culture that is destroying so many lives as hard headed young souls have to learn the hard way through great suffering their hard lessons.
Evolving the New Reality Model
Perhaps 500 thousand to a million years ago our ancestor Homo erectus became aware enough to contemplate the nature of reality in a process we call shamanism. Over time, shamanism has evolved giving rise to modern day religions. The ancient idea that our ancestors continue to exist and affect our everyday lives developed into the modern day idea of a before and afterlife, on a less material plane of existence.
I am reminded of Plato’s allegory of the cave in which the dim shadows perceived on the wall of the cave are the dim distorted reflections of a much greater reality outside of the cave. As human civilization on earth has evolved, these distorted perceptions begin to clear for some and the overlying soul reality becomes more apparent. We now know that about one out of ten people, about the same that have seen UFOs, have had an Out of Body (OBE) or Near Death Experience (NDE). We simply cannot ignore or deny this evidence of life before and after bodily death or the large number of people who claim reincarnation experiences.
This seemly solid body of evidence, no matter how one is inclined to interpret it, provides a foundation for those psychological professionals who have become active in using hypnosis and psychological regression to ferret out hidden memories and traumas within this greater domain. Dr. Brian Weiss recounts in his book Many Lives Many Masters, how in frustration at not being able to help a client, he just told her to just go back in time to where the underlying trauma existed that was creating the symptoms. He thought that there might have been a trauma very early in life, but what happened not only profoundly changed his life, but positively affected hundreds of thousands if not millions of people when he put his findings into a book format.
To Brian’s shock, his patient regressed back to a past life, and even more amazingly her severe traumatic symptoms began to diminish. Weiss had already realized that there were a certain percentage of patients that he was not able to help, but when he applied past life regression to other patients in this category, they too began to get better. This sent him on a lifelong quest to understand soul reality through regressions of large numbers of people resulting in his books Many Lives Many Masters and Only Love Is Real.
In the second book he describes both a male and a female who came to him separately, but in regression were telling him the same stories of past lives. He held back bringing them together, afraid to disturb a natural process, but they found each other anyway because the soul attraction between the two was so strong.
Can we really ignore the thousands maybe millions of good reincarnation cases such as this one in the Epoch Times titled, Three Year Old Remembers Past Life: [9]
“A 3-year-old boy in the Golan Heights region near the border of Syria and Israel said he was murdered with an axe in his previous life. He showed village elders where the murderer buried his body, and sure enough they found a man’s skeleton there. He also showed the elders where the murder weapon was found, and upon digging, they did indeed found an axe there.
In his book, ‘Children Who Have Lived Before: Reincarnation Today,’ German therapist Trutz Hardo tells this boy’s story, along with other stories of children who seem to remember their past lives with verified accuracy. The boy’s story was witnessed by Dr. Eli Lasch, who is best known for developing the medical system in Gaza as part of an Israeli government operation in the 1960s. Dr. Lasch, who died in 2009, had recounted these astounding events to Hardo.”
Reincarnational cases are not nearly as frequent as Near Death Cases or UFO cases, but certainly are just as compelling, or more so because evidence can be more easily verified by researchers. Here is another case from the Middle East published in the Epoch Times that clearly shows that many of these reincarnational cases can be researched and verified by credible researchers and investigators. [10]
"Psychologist Dr. Erlendur Haraldsson, professor emeritus at the University of Iceland in Reykjavik, has long studied reincarnation. He has highlighted a case he began investigating in 2000 in which a boy named Nazih Al-Danaf gave many correct details about his purported past-life incarnation. Dr. Haraldsson worked with a local researcher, Majd Abu-Izzeddin, in Lebanon to interview the boy’s family members and the family of the deceased man Nazih may have been. All witnesses were interviewed multiple times several months apart, and the story remained by and large the same. The most striking testimony came from the dead man’s wife, who tested the boy’s knowledge of her life with her husband.
“At the age of about one and a half, Nazih told his mother, “I am not small, I am big. I carry two pistols. I carry four hand-grenades. I am ‘qabadai’ (a fearless strong person). Don’t be scared by the hand-grenades. I know how to handle them. I have a lot of weapons. My children are young and I want to go and see them.”
He used words his parents didn’t expect him to know at that age, showed an unusual interest in cigarettes and whisky, talked of a mute friend who had only one hand, said he had a red car, and said he died when people came to shoot at him. He said he was taken in an ambulance to the hospital, and was given an anesthesia shot in his arm on the way. He asked to go to his home in Qaberchamoun, a small town that is about 10.5 miles (17 kilometers) away.
Nazih has family near Qaberchamoun, but had never been in the town itself and didn’t know anyone from the town. After years of pestering, his parents finally took him to Qaberchamoun when he was 6 years old, in 1998. Some of his sisters went too. They arrived at an intersection of six roads in Qaberchamoun. Nazih pointed to one and said to follow it. He then instructed his father to wait for the next fork in the road, then go up to where his house is. His father, Sabir Al-Danaf, did as the boy said. He was eventually forced to stop the car, because the road was wet and became difficult to drive on. Nazih jumped out and ran on ahead. His father followed him, and the women got out to talk to a local man while waiting for Nazih and Sabir to return.
As the women described what Nazih had told them, the man was stunned. The details matched his deceased father. Dr. Haraldsson interviewed this man, Kamal Khaddage, whose father, Fuad Assad Khaddage, had died many years earlier. Nazih was unable to recognize any of the houses ahead, so he and his father returned to the car.
Khaddage asked his mother, Najdiyah, to come speak to the boy. Having heard that the boy may be her husband’s reincarnation, she tested him. She asked him: “Who built the foundation of this gate at the entrance of this house?” Nazih replied: “A man from the Faraj family.” This was correct.
She asked him if she had had any accident when they were living at the house in Ainab. Nazih said she had dislocated her shoulder one morning. He took her to the doctor when he got home from work, and she had a cast on for a while. This was correct. She asked him if he remembered how their daughter, Fairuz, had become ill. He said, “She was poisoned from my medication and I took her to the hospital.” This was correct.
Nazih went to a particular cupboard of his own accord and said that that’s where he had kept his weapons, though none were in there at the time. That was where Fuad had kept his weapons. The boy asked Fuad’s widow if she remembered how their car had stopped twice on the way from Beirut and Israeli soldiers had helped them start it again.
This had indeed happened. The boy mentioned a barrel in the garden he used to teach his wife to shoot, and ran out to see if it was still there. It was. Najdiyah showed Nazih a photograph of Fuad and asked: “Who is this?” The boy replied: “This is me, I was big but now I am small.”
There have been many professionals before and after Weiss who have recounted in their books past life experiences of their clients. But I think Michael Newton, PHD broke new ground with his between life regressions that he detailed in Journey of Souls and Destiny of Souls. In these books Michael gives detailed descriptions through hypnotic regression as to how souls exist and interact between incarnations. What came out of all this OBE, NDE and regression data is more detailed knowledge of a more expansive reality in which our physical universes are embedded. This reality while invisible to many, nevertheless determines our individual and collective evolution and destiny.
The physical or material universes seem to provide a stage or theater into which souls project or integrate themselves into host bodies and brains, the same as we get in and out of a car. We are not the car, even though to drive it we integrate ourselves into it in order to experience driving and to get from one place to another. It would appear that between lives there is a very clear overall reality; souls mingle and converse in groups to socialize, learn and plan together their next lives on the material plane.
They decide on the general parameters of their roles and interactions while in their host bodies in life’s theater. Later, once incarnated, they work out the details of their individual and collective roles, scenes, and plays etc. that evolve over time throughout their time in material existence. Then when their bodies die, they reenter the larger soul reality and together evaluate what when right and what went wrong in preparation for their next life.
The idea of Soul Theater or theatrics seems to be to evolve, improve, and perfect character. So we can say that life as we know it is a classroom in which we teach each other, while guided and supervised by even more advanced souls than ourselves. We learn through role playing, placing each other in different roles, be it supporting, lead, or even protagonist. Upon returning to the spirit world with more evolved souls, destructive emotions are soon left behind between souls in a group, and everybody is friends once again in the clarity of the soul environment, no matter how horrific we may have treated each other in material life.
For instance one soul might say to the other, I am sorry, but I let the emotions of the body get away from me and out of my control. The soul group might then discuss which kind of role might be appropriate in the future to work on this discipline problem, to better gain control over the host body, its genetics and its environmental history, that made it what it was.
We have no further than to carefully observe our personal interactions amongst ourselves to see that we set roles for each other on a continuous basis daily. We experience major roles as husbands, wives, daughters and sons etc., but change minor roles and scenes, plays or productions day to day. An example would be several people getting together to plan a party. Maybe one person decides to take on the leading role as director, who then solicits others to take on roles in the production, each according to their own desires.
Other examples of learning through role playing could be as simple as asking somebody to do something for us or refuse to do something for someone else. If we observe our thinking, feelings and actions closely, we can easily see that we use a variety of techniques, some quite manipulative, J to bring others into our personal plays, dramas and performances and expect and others to do the same for us.
These reality performances can be simple, minor, tragic or profound as we play out our lives on life’s stage. The reason I think Shakespeare was so profound and popular, was that he understood soul reality. When he said, “All life is a stage and we actors on it,” he was telling a very important and fundamental truth that still resonates with us today.
I think that a vast body of evidence has accumulated the past 100 + years on soul reality and what we can observe right here in our daily life shows that beyond birth and death is this greater soul reality. Once we understand this greater reality on an individual and collective level, at least to some degree, we will know life as Soul Theater and our pain and suffering in life will diminish.
When we realize we never permanently lose our friends and family and that they will keep coming back to us in life, the pain of loss loses its sting. We realize that separation is simply a necessary and temporary illusion. We can forgive those that hurt us, because we realize they are fallible just as we are. The sooner we all realize we are all in this school together the better off we will all be. We will have become enlightened as to our true nature and know how to proceed in life in a constructive manner. Life, like all things, makes sense when we understand the greatest perspective possible into which these things are imbedded, and use that perspective to make the right decisions in life in order to gain the right outcomes.
I don’t believe that any person has done more for consciousness science than Swiss Psychiatrist and Psychologist Carl Jung. (1875 – 1961) yet few realize that he himself had a near death experience during a heart attack when he was unconsciousness in 1944. Once again we see that the overall eternal quantum reality is constantly intruding and guiding with course corrections our evolutionary progress today, just as throughout history, even to our most sophisticated scientists of today. Carl Jung’s NDE illustrates that back and forth motion and communication between the quantum flux and holographic reality with just one individual, but this is going on with all individuals throughout society and every particle of matter and wave of light. Nothing is like a direct experience for rapid enlightenment but unless one has an overall grasp of the big picture, the experience is bound to pale over time and dissipate without doing much for our eternal evolutionary progress.
While Carl Jung’s NDE experience only took him to the point where he was about to have all his questions answered, it is an experience nevertheless very well-articulated by a very well trained observer and thinker. I follow this case with another where the participant was able or was allowed to go much further to the point of getting all his questions answered. As with UFO cases, I have found that to get to the bottom of things one searches out the most detailed cases and then gathers many less detailed but more frequent cases to back up portions of the overall very detailed stories.
NDE and OBE cases range from the very brief as happened to a friend of mine after smoking a joint where he began to float out of his body while driving and fearfully quickly snapped back into his body, to cases that are very detailed and profound. By sorting through these cases using good observation, discrimination and analysis we can build up a model or picture of this over reaching reality.
“The images were so tremendous that I myself concluded that I was close to death. My nurse afterward told me, “It was as if you were surrounded by a bright glow.” That was a phenomenon she had sometimes observed in the dying. . . .
It seems to me that I was high up in space. Far below I saw the globe of the earth, bathed in a gloriously blue light. I saw the deep blue sea and the continents. Far below my feet lay Ceylon, and in the distance ahead of me the subcontinent of India. . . . Far away to the left lay a broad expanse – the reddish-yellow desert of Arabia. . . . I could also see the snow-covered Himalayas, but in that direction it was foggy and cloudy. . . . I knew that I was on the point of departing from the earth. Later I discovered how high in space one would have to be to have so extensive a view – approximately a thousand miles! The sight of the earth from this height was the most glorious thing I had ever seen. . . .
I had the feeling that everything was being sloughed away; everything I aimed at or wished for or thought, the whole phantasmagoria of earthly existence fell away or was stripped from me – an extremely painful process. Nevertheless something remained; it was as if I now carried along with me everything I had ever experienced or done. . . . I might also say; it was with me, and I was it. . . . I consisted of my own history, and I felt with great certainty: this is what I am. . . . I believed I would at last understand – this too was a certainty – what historical nexus I or my life fitted into. I would know what had been before me, why I had come into being, and where my life was flowing. . . . My life seemed to have been snipped out of a long chain of events, and many questions had remained unanswered. Why had it taken this course? Why had I brought into earth life these particular assumptions with me? What had I made of them? What will follow? I felt sure that I would receive an answer to all these questions. . . .
While I was thinking over these matters, something happened that caught my attention. From below, from the direction of Europe, an image floated up. It was my doctor Dr. H. – or, rather his likeness – framed by a golden chain or a golden laurel wreath. I knew at once: “Aha, this is my doctor, of course, the one who has been treating me. But now he is coming in his primal form. . . . . In life he was . . . the temporal embodiment of the primal form, which has existed from the beginning. Now he is appearing in that primal form.”
Presumably I too was in my primal form, though this was something I did not observe but simply took for granted. As he stood before me, a mute exchange of thought took place between us. Dr. H. had been delegated by the earth to deliver a message to me, to tell me that there was a protest against my going away. I had no right to leave the earth and must return. The moment I heard that, the vision ceased. . . .
I was profoundly disappointed, for now. . . . The painful process of defoliation had been in vain. . . . Disappointed, I thought, “Now I must return to the ‘box system’ again.” For it seemed to me as if behind the horizon of the cosmos a three-dimensional world had been artificially built up, in which each person sat by himself in a little box. And now I should have to convince myself all over again that this was important! Life and the whole world struck me as a prison, and it bothered me beyond measure that I should again be finding that quite in order. I had been so glad to shed it all, and now it had come about that I – along with everyone else – would again be hung up in a box by a thread. . . .
It was only after the illness that I understood how important it is to affirm one’s own destiny. In this way we forge an ego that does not break down when incomprehensible things happen; an ego that endures, that endures the truth, and that is capable of coping with the world and with fate. . . . Nothing is disturbed – neither inwardly nor outwardly, for one’s own continuity has withstood the current of life and of time."
Mellen Thomas Benedict’s Near-Death Experience picks up where Carl Jung’s experience left off. In addition there is solid proof of his immediate remission of cancer to back up his story. This case illustrates what a powerful effect reestablishing connection to quantum reality or source reality can have on holographic reality. Clearly source reality or quantum reality is the dominant domain with holographic reality being the lesser domain of existence. [11]
“In 1982 I died from terminal cancer. The condition I had was inoperable, and any kind of chemotherapy they could give me would just have made me more of a vegetable. I was given six to eight months to live. I had been an information freak in the 1970's, and I had become increasingly despondent over the nuclear crisis, the ecology crisis, and so forth. So, since I did not have a spiritual basis, I began to believe that nature had made a mistake, and that we were probably a cancerous organism on the planet.
I saw no way that we could get out from all the problems we had created for ourselves and the planet. I perceived all humans as cancer, and that is what I got. That is what killed me. Be careful what your world view is. It can feed back on you, especially if it is a negative world view. I had a seriously negative one. That is what led me into my death. I tried all sorts of alternative healing methods, but nothing helped
So I determined that this was really just between me and God. I had never really faced God before, or even dealt with God. I was not into any kind of spirituality at the time, but I began a journey into learning about spirituality and alternative healing. I set out to do all the reading I could and bone up on the subject, because I did not want to be surprised on the other side. So I started reading on various religions and philosophies. They were all very interesting, and gave hope that there was something on the other side.
On the other hand, as a self-employed stained-glass artist at the time, I had no medical insurance whatsoever. So my life savings went overnight in testing. Then I was facing the medical profession without any kind of insurance. I did not want to have my family dragged down financially, so I determined to handle this myself. There was not constant pain, but there were black-outs. I got so that I would not dare to drive, and eventually I ended up in hospice care. I had my own personal hospice caretaker. I was very blessed by this angel who went through the last part of this with me. I lasted about eighteen months. I did not want to take a lot of drugs, since I wanted to be as conscious as possible. Then I experienced such pain that I had nothing but pain in my consciousness, luckily only for a few days at a time.
I remember waking up one morning at home about 4:30 am, and I just knew that this was it. This was the day I was going to die. So I called a few friends and said goodbye. I woke up my hospice caretaker and told her. I had a private agreement with her that she would leave my dead body alone for six hours, since I had read that all kinds of interesting things happen when you die. I went back to sleep. The next thing I remember is the beginning of a typical near-death experience. Suddenly I was fully aware and I was standing up, but my body was in the bed. There was this darkness around me.
Being out of my body was even more vivid than ordinary experience. It was so vivid that I could see every room in the house, I could see the top of the house, I could see around the house, I could see under the house.
The Light of God
There was this light shining. I turned toward the light. The light was very similar to what many other people have described in their near-death experiences. It was so magnificent. It is tangible; you can feel it. It is alluring; you want to go to it like you would want to go to your ideal mother's or father's arms. As I began to move toward the light, I knew intuitively that if I went to the light, I would be dead. So as I was moving toward the light I said, "Please wait a minute, just hold on a second here. I want to think about this; I would like to talk to you before I go.
To my surprise, the entire experience halted at that point. You are indeed in control of your near-death experience. You are not on a roller coaster ride. So my request was honored and I had some conversations with the light. The light kept changing into different figures, like Jesus, Buddha, Krishna, mandalas, archetypal images and signs. I asked the light, "What is going on here? Please, light, clarify yourself for me. I really want to know the reality of the situation."
I cannot really say the exact words, because it was sort of telepathy. The light responded. The information transferred to me was that your beliefs shape the kind of feedback you are getting before the light. If you were a Buddhist or Catholic or Fundamentalist, you get a feedback loop of your own stuff. You have a chance to look at it and examine it, but most people do not.
As the light revealed itself to me, I became aware that what I was really seeing was our Higher Self matrix. The only thing I can tell you is that it turned into a matrix, a mandala of human souls, and what I saw was that what we call our Higher Self in each of us is a matrix. It's also a conduit to the Source; each one of us comes directly, as a direct experience from the Source. We all have a Higher Self, or an over-soul part of our being. It revealed itself to me in its truest energy form. The only way I can really describe it is that the being of the Higher Self is more like a conduit. It did not look like that, but it is a direct connection to the Source that each and every one of us has. We are directly connected to the Source.
So the light was showing me the Higher Self matrix. And it became very clear to me that all the Higher Selves are connected as one being, all humans are connected as one being, we are actually the same being, different aspects of the same being. It was not committed to one particular religion. So that is what was being fed back to me. And I saw this mandala of human souls. It was the most beautiful thing I have ever seen. I just went into it and, it was just overwhelming. It was like all the love you've ever wanted, and it was the kind of love that cures, heals, regenerates.
As I asked the light to keep explaining, I understood what the Higher Self matrix is. We have a grid around the planet where all the Higher Selves are connected. This is like a great company, a next subtle level of energy around us, the spirit level, you might say.
Then, after a couple of minutes, I asked for more clarification. I really wanted to know what the universe is about, and I was ready to go at that time. I said, "I am ready, take me."
The River of Life
Then the light turned into the most beautiful thing that I have ever seen: a mandala of human souls on this planet. Now I came to this with my negative view of what has happened on the planet. So as I asked the light to keep clarifying for me, I saw in this magnificent mandala how beautiful we all are in our essence, our core. We are the most beautiful creations. The human soul, the human matrix that we all make together is absolutely fantastic, elegant, exotic, everything. I just cannot say enough about how it changed my opinion of human beings in that instant.
I said, "Oh, God, I did not know how beautiful we are.” At any level, high or low, in whatever shape you are in, you are the most beautiful creation, you are. I was astonished to find that there was no evil in any soul. I said, "How can this be?” The answer was that no soul was inherently evil. The terrible things that happened to people might make them do evil things, but their souls were not evil. What all people seek, what sustains them, is love, the light told me. What distorts people is a lack of love. The revelations coming from the light seemed to go on and on, then I asked the light, "Does this mean that humankind will be saved?” Then, like a trumpet blast with a shower of spiraling lights, the Great Light spoke, saying: "Remember this and never forget; you save, redeem and heal yourself. You always have. You always will. You were created with the power to do so from before the beginning of the world."
In that instant I realized even more. I realized that WE HAVE ALREADY BEEN SAVED, and we saved ourselves because we were designed to self-correct like the rest of God's universe. This is what the second coming is about. I thanked the light of God with all my heart. The best thing I could come up with was these simple words of total appreciation: "Oh dear God, dear Universe, dear Great Self, I love my life.”
The light seemed to breathe me in even more deeply. It was as if the light was completely absorbing me. The love light is, to this day, indescribable. I entered into another realm, more profound than the last, and became aware of something more, much more. It was an enormous stream of light, vast and full, deep in the heart of life. I asked what this was. The light responded: "This is the RIVER OF LIFE. Drink of this manna water to your heart's content."
So I did. I took one big drink and then another. To drink of life Itself! I was in ecstasy. Then the light said: “You have a desire.” The light knew all about me, everything past, present and future. "Yes!" I whispered. I asked to see the rest of the universe; beyond our solar system, beyond all human illusion. The light then told me that I could go with the Stream. I did, and was carried through the light at the end of the tunnel. I felt and heard a series of very soft sonic booms. What a rush!
Suddenly I seemed to be rocketing away from the planet on this stream of life. I saw the Earth fly away. The solar system, in all its splendor, whizzed by and disappeared. At faster than light speed, I flew through the center of the galaxy, absorbing more knowledge as I went. I learned that this galaxy, and all of the universe, is bursting with many different varieties of LIFE. I saw many worlds. The good news is that we are not alone in this universe!
As I rode this stream of consciousness through the center of the galaxy, the stream was expanding in awesome fractal waves of energy. The super clusters of galaxies with all their ancient wisdom flew by. At first I thought I was going somewhere; actually traveling. But then I realized that, as the stream was expanding, my own consciousness was also expanding to take in everything in the universe! All creation passed by me. It was an unimaginable wonder! I truly was a wonder child; a babe in Wonderland!
It seemed as if all the creations in the universe soared by me and vanished in a speck of light. Almost immediately, a second light appeared. It came from all sides, and was so different; a light made up of more than every frequency in the universe.
The Void
I felt and heard several velvety sonic booms again. My consciousness, or being, was expanding to interface with the entire holographic universe and more. As I passed into the second light, the awareness came to me that I had just transcended the truth. Those are the best words I have for it, but I will try to explain. As I passed into the second light, I expanded beyond the first light. I found myself in a profound stillness, beyond all silence. I could see or perceive FOREVER, beyond infinity. I was in the void. I was in pre-creation, before the Big Bang. I had crossed over the beginning of time - the first word - the first vibration. I was in the eye of creation. I felt as if I was touching the face of God. It was not a religious feeling. Simply I was at one with absolute life and consciousness.
When I say that I could see or perceive forever, I mean that I could experience all of creation generating itself. It was without beginning and without end. That's a mind-expanding thought, isn't it? Scientists perceive the Big Bang as a single event which created the universe. I saw that the Big Bang is only one of an infinite number of Big Bangs creating universes endlessly and simultaneously. The only images that even come close in human terms would be those created by supercomputers using fractal geometry equations.
The ancients knew of this. They said Godhead periodically created new universes by breathing out, and de-creating other universes by breathing in. These epochs were called yugas. Modern science called this the Big Bang. I was in absolute, pure consciousness. I could see or perceive all the Big Bangs or yugas creating and de-creating themselves. Instantly I entered into them all simultaneously. I saw that each and every little piece of creation has the power to create. It is very difficult to try to explain this. I am still speechless about this.
It took me years after I returned to assimilate any words at all for the void experience. I can tell you this now; the void is less than nothing, yet more than everything that is! The void is absolute zero; chaos forming all possibilities. It is absolute consciousness; much more than even universal intelligence.
Where is the void? I know. The void is inside and outside everything. You, right now even while you live, are always inside and outside the void simultaneously. You don't have to go anywhere or die to get there. The void is the vacuum or nothingness between all physical manifestations. The SPACE between atoms and their components. Modern science has begun to study this space between everything. They call it zero-point. Whenever they try to measure it, their instruments go off the scale, or to infinity, so to speak. They have no way, as of yet, to measure infinity accurately. There is more of the zero space in your own body and the universe than anything else!
What mystics call the void is not a void. It is so full of energy, a different kind of energy that has created everything that we are. Everything since the Big Bang is vibration, from the first word, which is the first vibration. The Biblical "I am" really has a question mark after it: "I am? What am I?”
So creation is God exploring God's Self through every way imaginable, in an ongoing, infinite exploration through every one of us. Through every piece of hair on your head, through every leaf on every tree, through every atom, God is exploring God's Self, the great "I am". I began to see that everything that is, is the Self, literally, your Self, my Self. Everything is the great Self. That is why God knows even when a leaf falls. That is possible because wherever you are is the center of the universe. Wherever any atom is, that is the center of the universe. There is God in that, and God in the void.
As I was exploring the void and all the yugas or creations, I was completely out of time and space as we know it. In this expanded state, I discovered that creation is about absolute pure consciousness, or God, coming into the experience of life as we know it. The void itself is devoid of experience. It is pre-life, before the first vibration. Godhead is about more than life and death. Therefore there is even more than life and death to experience in the universe!
I was in the void and I was aware of everything that had ever been created. It was like I was looking out of God's eyes. I had become God. Suddenly I wasn't me anymore. The only thing I can say, I was looking out of God's eyes. And suddenly I knew why every atom was, and I could see everything.
The interesting point was that I went into the void, I came back with this understanding that God is not there. God is here. That's what it is all about. So this constant search of the human race to go out and find God ... God gave everything to us, everything is here - this is where it's at. And what we are into now is God's exploration of God through us. People are so busy trying to become God that they ought to realize that we are already God and God is becoming us. That's what it is really about. When I realized this, I was finished with the void, and wanted to return to this creation, or yuga. It just seemed like the natural thing to do.
Then I suddenly came back through the second light, or the Big Bang, hearing several more velvet booms. I rode the stream of consciousness back through all of creation, and what a ride it was! The super-clusters of galaxies came through me with even more insights. I passed through the center of our galaxy, which is a black hole. Black holes are the great processors or recyclers of the universe. Do you know what is on the other side of a black hole? We are; our galaxy; which has been reprocessed from another universe.
In its total energy configuration, the galaxy looked like a fantastic city of lights. All energy this side of the Big Bang is light. Every sub-atom, atom, star, planet, even consciousness itself is made of light and has a frequency and/or particle. Light is living stuff. Everything is made of light, even stones. So everything is alive. Everything is made from the light of God; everything is very intelligent.
The Light of Love
As I rode the stream on and on, I could eventually see a huge light coming. I knew it was the first light; the Higher Self light matrix of our solar system. Then the entire solar system appeared in the light, accompanied by one of those velvet booms. I saw that the solar system we live in is our larger, local body. This is our local body and we are much bigger than we imagine. I saw that the solar system is our body. I am a part of this, and the Earth is this great created being that we are, and we are the part of it that knows that it is. But we are only that part of it. We are not everything, but we are that part of it that knows that it is.
I could see all the energy that this solar system generates, and it is an incredible light show! I could hear the Music of the Spheres. Our solar system, as do all celestial bodies, generates a unique matrix of light, sound and vibratory energies. Advanced civilizations from other star systems can spot life as we know it in the universe by the vibratory or energy matrix imprint. It is child's play. The Earth's wonder child (human beings) makes an abundance of sound right now, like children playing in the backyard of the universe.
I rode the stream directly into the center of the light. I felt embraced by the light as it took me in with its breath again, followed by another soft sonic boom. I was in this great light of love with the stream of life flowing through me. I have to say again, it is the most loving, non-judgmental light.
The light explained to me that there is no death; we are immortal beings. We have already been alive forever! I realized that we are part of a natural living system that recycles itself endlessly. I was never told that I had to come back. I just knew that I would. It was only natural, from what I had seen.
I don't know how long I was with the light, in human time. But there came a moment when I realized that all my questions had been answered and my return was near. When I say that all my questions were answered on the other side, I mean to say just that. All my questions have been answered. Every human has a different life and set of questions to explore. Some of our questions are universal, but each of us is exploring this thing we call life in our own unique way. So is every other form of life, from mountains to every leaf on every tree. And that is very important to the rest of us in this universe. Because it all contributes to the Big Picture, the fullness of life. We are literally God exploring God's Self in an infinite Dance of Life. Your uniqueness enhances all of life.
His Return to Earth
As I began my return to the life cycle, it never crossed my mind, nor was I told, that I would return to the same body. It just did not matter. I had complete trust in the light and the life process. As the stream merged with the great light, I asked never to forget the revelations and the feelings of what I had learned on the other side. There was a "Yes." It felt like a kiss to my soul.
Then I was taken back through the light into the vibratory realm again. The whole process reversed, with even more information being given to me. I came back home, and I was given lessons on the mechanics of reincarnation. I was given answers to all those little questions I had: "How does this work? How does that work?" I knew that I would be reincarnated.
The Earth is a great processor of energy, and individual consciousness evolves out of that into each one of us. I thought of myself as a human for the first time, and I was happy to be that. From what I have seen, I would be happy to be an atom in this universe. An atom. So to be the human part of God ... this is the most fantastic blessing. It is a blessing beyond our wildest estimation of what blessing can be. For each and every one of us to be the human part of this experience is awesome, and magnificent. Each and every one of us, no matter where we are, screwed up or not, are a blessing to the planet, right where we are
So I went through the reincarnation process expecting to be a baby somewhere. But I was given a lesson on how individual identity and consciousness evolve. So I reincarnated back into this body.
I was so surprised when I opened my eyes. I do not know why, because I understood it, but it was still such a surprise to be back in this body, back in my room with someone looking over me crying her eyes out. It was my hospice caretaker. She had given up an hour and a half after finding me dead. She was sure I was dead; all the signs of death were there - I was getting stiff. We do not know how long I was dead, but we do know that it was an hour and a half since I was found. She honored my wish to have my newly dead body left alone for a few hours as much as she could. We had an amplified stethoscope and many ways of checking out the vital functions of the body to see what was happening. She can verify that I really was dead.
It was not a near-death experience. I experienced death itself for at least an hour and a half. She found me dead and checked the stethoscope, blood pressure and heart rate monitor for an hour and a half. Then I awakened and saw the light outside. I tried to get up to go to it, but I fell out of the bed. She heard a loud "clunk", ran in and found me on the floor.
When I recovered, I was very surprised and yet very awed about what had happened to me. At first all the memory of the trip that I have now was not there. I kept slipping out of this world and kept asking, "Am I alive?" This world seemed more like a dream than that one.
Within three days, I was feeling normal again, clearer, yet different than I had ever felt in my life. My memory of the journey came back later. I could see nothing wrong with any human being I had ever seen. Before that I was really judgmental. I thought a lot of people were really screwed up, in fact I thought that everybody was screwed up but me. But I got clear on all that.
About three months later a friend said I should get tested, so I went and got the scans and so forth. I really felt good, so I was afraid of getting bad news. I remember the doctor at the clinic looking at the before and after scans, saying, "Well, there is nothing here now." I said, "Really, it must be a miracle?” He said, "No, these things happen, they are called spontaneous remission.” He acted very unimpressed. But here was a miracle, and I was impressed, even if no one else was.
The Lessons He Learned
The mystery of life has very little to do with intelligence. The universe is not an intellectual process at all. The intellect is helpful; it is brilliant, but right now that is all we process with, instead of our hearts and the wiser part of ourselves. The center of the Earth is this great transmuter of energy, just as you see in pictures of our Earth's magnetic field. That's our cycle, pulling reincarnated souls back in and through it again.
A sign that you are reaching human level is that you are beginning to evolve an individual consciousness. The animals have a group soul, and they reincarnate in group souls. A deer is pretty much going to be a deer forever. But just being born a human, whether deformed or genius, shows that you are on the path to developing an individual consciousness. That is in itself part of the group consciousness called humanity.
I saw that races are personality clusters. Nations like France, Germany and China each have their own personality. Cities have personalities, their local group souls that attract certain people. Families have group souls. Individual identity is evolving like branches of a fractal; the group soul explores in our individuality. The different questions that each of us has are very, very important. This is how Godhead is exploring God's Self - through you. So ask your questions, do your searching. You will find your Self and you will find God in that Self, because it is only the Self.
More than that, I began to see that each one of us humans are soul mates. We are part of the same soul fractaling out in many creative directions, but still the same. Now I look at every human being that I ever see, and I see a soul mate, my soul mate, the one I have always been looking for. Beyond that, the greatest soul mate that you will ever have is yourself. We are each both male and female. We experience this in the womb and we experience this in reincarnation states. If you are looking for that ultimate soul mate outside of yourself, you may never find it; it is not there. Just as God is not "there." God is here. Don't look "out there" for God. Look here for God. Look through your Self. Start having the greatest love affair you ever had ... with your Self. You will love everything out of that.
I had a descent into what you might call hell, and it was very surprising. I did not see Satan or evil. My descent into hell was a descent into each person's customized human misery, ignorance, and darkness of not-knowing. It seemed like a miserable eternity. But each of the millions of souls around me had a little star of light always available. But no one seemed to pay attention to it. They were so consumed with their own grief, trauma and misery. But, after what seemed an eternity, I started calling out to that light, like a child calling to a parent for help. Then the light opened up and formed a tunnel that came right to me an insulated me from all that fear and pain. That is what hell really is.
So what we are doing is learning to hold hands, to come together. The doors of hell are open now. We are going to link up, hold hands, and walk out of hell together.
The light came to me and turned into a huge golden angel. I said, "Are you the angel of death?" It expressed to me that it was my over-soul, my Higher Self matrix, a super-ancient part of ourselves. Then I was taken to the light.
Soon our science will quantify spirit. Isn't that going to be wonderful? We are coming up with devices now that are sensitive to subtle energy or spirit energy. Physicists use these atomic colliders to smash atoms to see what they are made of. They have got it down to quarks and charm, and all that. Well, one day they are going to come down to the little thing that holds it all together, and they are going to have to call that ... God. With atomic colliders they are not only seeing what is in here, but they are creating particles. Thank God most of them are short-lived milliseconds and nanoseconds. We are just beginning to understand that we are creating too, as we go along.
As I saw forever, I came to a realm in which there is a point where we pass all knowledge and begin creating the next fractal, the next level. We have that power to create as we explore. And that is God expanding itself through us. Since my return I have experienced the light spontaneously, and I have learned how to get to that space almost any time in my meditation. Each one of you can do this. You do not have to die to do this. It is within your equipment; you are wired for it already.
The body is the most magnificent light being there is. The body is a universe of incredible light. Spirit is not pushing us to dissolve this body. That is not what is happening. Stop trying to become God; God is becoming you. Here the mind is like a child running around the universe, demanding this and thinking it created the world. But I ask the mind, "What did your mother have to do with this?” That is the next level of spiritual awareness. Oh! My mother! All of a sudden you give up the ego, because you are not the only soul in the universe.
What Is Heaven?
One of my questions to the light was, "What is heaven? I was given a tour of all the heavens that have been created: the Nirvanas, the Happy Hunting Grounds, all of them. I went through them. These are thought form creations that we have created. We don't really go to heaven; we are reprocessed. But whatever we created, we leave a part of ourselves there. It is real, but it is not all of the soul.
I saw the Christian heaven. We expect it to be a beautiful place, and you stand in front of the throne, worshipping forever. I tried it. It is boring! This is all we are going to do? It is childlike. I do not mean to offend anyone. Some heavens are very interesting, and some are very boring. I found the ancient ones to be more interesting, like the Native American ones, the Happy Hunting Grounds. The Egyptians have fantastic ones. It goes on and on.
There are so many of them. In each of them there is a fractal that is your particular interpretation, unless you are part of the group soul that believes in only the God of a particular religion. Then you are very close, in the same ball park together. But even then, each is a little bit different. That is a part of yourself that you leave there. Death is about life, not about heaven. I asked God, "What is the best religion on the planet? Which one is right?” And Godhead said, with great love: “I don’t care.” That was incredible grace. What that meant was that we are the caring beings here. The Ultimate Godhead of all the stars tells us: “It does not matter what religion you are.”
They come and they go, they change. Buddhism has not been here forever, Catholicism has not been here forever, and they are all about to become more enlightened. More light is coming into all systems now. There is going to be a reformation in spirituality that is going to be just as dramatic as the Protestant Reformation. There will be lots of people fighting about it, one religion against the next, believing that only they are right.
Everyone thinks they own God, the religions and philosophies, especially the religions, because they form big organizations around their philosophy. When Godhead said, "I don't care," I immediately understood that it is for us to care about. It is important, because we are the caring beings. It matters to us and that is where it is important. What you have is the energy equation in spirituality. Ultimate Godhead does not care if you are Protestant, Buddhist, or whatever. It is all a blooming facet of the whole. I wish that all religions would realize it and let each other be. It is not the end of each religion, but we are talking about the same God. Live and let live. Each has a different view. And it all adds up to the Big Picture; it is all important.
I went over to the other side with a lot of fears about toxic waste, nuclear missiles, the population explosion, the rainforest. I came back loving every single problem. I love nuclear waste. I love the mushroom cloud; this is the holiest mandala that we have manifested to date, as an archetype. It, more than any religion or philosophy on Earth, brought us together all of a sudden, to a new level of consciousness. Knowing that maybe we can blow up the planet fifty times, or 500 times, we finally realize that maybe we are all here together now. For a period they had to keep setting off more bombs to get it in to us. Then we started saying, "We do not need this anymore.”
Now we are actually in a safer world than we have ever been in, and it is going to get safer. So I came back loving toxic waste, because it brought us together. These things are so big. As Peter Russell might say, these problems are now "soul size." Do we have soul size answers? YES!
The clearing of the rain forest will slow down, and in fifty years there will be more trees on the planet than in a long time. If you are into ecology, go for it; you are that part of the system that is becoming aware. Go for it with all your might, but do not be depressed. It is part of a larger thing.
Earth is in the process of domesticating itself. It is never again going to be as wild a place as it once was. There will be great wild places, reserves where nature thrives. Gardening and reserves will be the thing in the future. Population increase is getting very close to the optimal range of energy to cause a shift in consciousness. That shift in consciousness will change politics, money, energy.
What happens when we dream? We are multi-dimensional beings. We can access that through lucid dreaming. In fact, this universe is God's dream. One of the things that I saw is that we humans are a speck on a planet that is a speck in a galaxy that is a speck. Those are giant systems out there, and we are in sort of an average system. But human beings are already legendary throughout the cosmos of consciousness. The little bitty human being of Earth/Gaia is legendary. One of the things that we are legendary for is dreaming. We are legendary dreamers. In fact, the whole cosmos has been looking for the meaning of life, the meaning of it all. And it was the little dreamer who came up with the best answer ever. We dreamed it up. So dreams are important.
After dying and coming back, I really respect life and death. In our DNA experiments we may have opened the door to a great secret. Soon we will be able to live as long as we want to live in this body. After living 150 years or so, there will be an intuitive soul sense that you will want to change channels. Living forever in one body is not as creative as reincarnation, as transferring energy in this fantastic vortex of energy that we are in. We are actually going to see the wisdom of life and death, and enjoy it.
As it is now, we have already been alive forever. This body that you are in, has been alive forever. It comes from an unending stream of life, going back to the Big Bang and beyond. This body gives life to the next life, in dense and subtle energy. This body has been alive forever already.”
Another case that is quite similar is Anita Moorjani’s case recounted in her book Dying To Be Me. This quoted material of floating up to view events outside of the body is so typical of a huge number of cases. [12] We can see that these very detailed cases are not isolated cases and tend to independently support each other adding to a detailed experience of source or quantum reality.
“Anita Moorjani, an ethnic Indian woman from Hong Kong, had end stage cancer (Hodgkin's Lymphoma) and was being cared for at home, but on the morning of February 2, 2006 she did not wake up. She had fallen into a coma. Doctors said she would not make it beyond the next 36 hours since her organs were no longer functioning and her body had started to swell up, creating open skin lesions. In spite of this, Anita saw and heard the conversations between her husband and the doctors that were taking place outside her room about 40 feet away down a hallway. She also saw her brother on a plane, having heard the news that she was dying, coming to see her. Both things were later confirmed.
Then she claims to have "crossed over to another dimension, where I was engulfed in a total feeling of love. I also experienced extreme clarity of why I had the cancer, why I had come into this life in the first place, what role everyone in my family played in my life in the grand scheme of things, and generally how life works. I realized what a gift life was, and that I was surrounded by loving spiritual beings, which were always around me even when I did not know it. I found out that my purpose now would be to live ‘heaven on earth' using this new understanding, and also to share this knowledge with other people."
In her now famous book, “Dying to be me”, Anita explains how she "had the choice of whether to come back into life, or go towards death. I became aware that if I chose life, my body would heal very quickly. I then started to understand how illnesses start on an energetic level before they become physical. I became aware that everything going on in our lives was dependent on this energy around us, created by us. Nothing was real – we created our surroundings, our conditions, etc. depending where this “energy” was at. If I chose life, the results would show that my organs were functioning normally. If I chose death, the results would show organ failure as the cause of death, due to cancer. I was able to change the outcome of the tests by my choice.
I made my choice, and as I started to wake up (in a very confused state, as I could not at that time tell which side of the veil I was on), the doctors came rushing into the room with big smiles on their faces saying to my family 'Good news – we got the results and her organs are functioning – we can't believe it!'. After that, I began to recover rapidly." Doctors were quite surprised and, once Anita became stable, they started tracking down the lymph nodes they saw when she entered the hospital. Tests had shown swollen lymph nodes and tumors the size of lemons extending from the base of her skull all the way to her lower abdomen, but doctors found none. They did a bone marrow biopsy, again to find the cancer activity so they could adjust the chemotherapy according to the disease, but there wasn't any in the bone marrow. Because they were unable to understand what was going on, they made her undergo test after test, all of which Anita passed easily. She then had a full body scan, and because they could not find anything, they made the radiologist repeat it again.
"Because of my experience, I am now sharing with everyone I know that miracles are possible in your life every day. After what I have seen, I realize that absolutely anything is possible, and that we did not come here to suffer. Life is supposed to be great, and we are very, very loved. The way I look at life has changed dramatically, and I am so glad to have been given a second chance to experience 'heaven on earth.'"
In the extraterrestrial contact case that follows, the more credible Horsley case, a Frenchman claims to have gone to live for a year at an extraterrestrial base and mentions that these human extraterrestrials know of and experience the reality of reincarnation and eternal life. [13] Obviously it is not just a theory to them but a fact validated by their very advanced science. I came across this case after I published my book UFOs Exopolitics and the New World Disorder and include it later to illustrate that reincarnational doctrine guides not only humans on earth, but also more advanced humans elsewhere to whom we are related.
It’s important to understand that this Frenchman case does not stand alone. I just don’t have space in this book for more. Researcher Albert Rosales for instance has catalogued over 14000 + extraterrestrial human or humanoid cases. Of course there is a sprinkling of frauds in these cases, but anybody that takes the time to go through even a small part of this case load has got to be impressed by some of which are well documented and validated cases.
It would appear from these human ET cases that our particular human race on earth is only one small element of a much larger group of cosmic humans to which we seem to be genetically and culturally related. More earth-centric human illusions about the cosmos are in the process of being shattered as ET’s slowly and systematically insert more extraterrestrial context into our lives regardless as to how our rulers react.
While many are still kept in denial of extraterrestrial life by government cover-ups and propaganda, many people are already interacting with extraterrestrials. Of course we have our scammers and frauds in the UFO field capitalizing on UFO interest, so for ordinary people it’s difficult to discriminate the lies from the truth. However it is a great mistake to deny all the tens of thousands of credible encounter cases and multi-millions of credible sightings of ET craft.
It’s also important that folks realize that a huge body of evidence is now available and shows that our genetics, culture and religion and even our science have been influenced by extraterrestrial encounters throughout our history. Hopefully folks will not be put off by the hoaxers and frauds and realize that extraterrestrial contact with more advanced ET races guides our material and spiritual development even if that sufficient context is not available to many of us yet.
In order to illustrate this point, I would like to produce here a couple of extraterrestrial contact cases. The first one has a very credible source while the second one is more debatable. However, they both illustrate like many other cases, both credible and no so credible, that not only have our leaders been contacted, our spiritual and material development has been discussed. What we see is that apparently our leaders at the highest level have rebuffed help from the more advanced extraterrestrials and gotten us involved with types that are less advanced and even dangerous to us.
Thanks to UFO/ET researcher Timothy Good the case of RAF’s Air Marshal Peter Horsley’s encounter with an extraterrestrial in 1954 has come to the attention of the UFO community. Interestingly this was the same year that credible sources have said President Eisenhower and other high level Americans met with human ETs. The former Deputy Commander in Chief of Strike Command is a British war hero and was an advisor to Her Majesty the Queen and Prince Philip for seven years. Peter’s case has a very sound foundation of credibility. The case surfaced in Peter’s autobiography Sounds From Another Room that has a complete chapter devoted to UFOs, including details of his investigations and sighting reports.
What is really mind blowing and courageous for his part is that 14 pages of this chapter are dedicated to a two hour conversation with an advanced extraterrestrial. Timothy Good has provided some excerpts from these 14 pages. Here are the excerpts thanks to Timothy Good. [14]
“Another enthusiast was air Chief Marshal Sir Arthur Barratt, who retired from the RAF at the end of the war. Barrett introduced Sir Peter to a friend of his, a General Martin, who believed that flying saucers were extraterrestrial vehicles from another planet whose inhabitants were trying to warn us of the perils of nuclear war. Sir Peter was not convinced.
One day in 1954, General Martin phoned Sir Peter, inviting him to meet a Mrs. Markham that night at her London flat in Smith Street, Chelsea. Morning There, in a dimly lit room, he was introduced to a ‘Mr. Janus.’ Without any preliminaries, writes Sir Peter, ‘Mr. Janus dived straight into the deep end by asking me to tell him all I knew about UFOs. He listened patiently… At the end I thought I might be equally as direct and asked Janus what his interest was? He answered me a quite simply, "I would like to meet the Duke of Edinburgh."
Somewhat taken aback, Sir Peter replied that this would not be easy. But it was here the strangeness of it all started – the man’s extraordinary ability to read my thoughts.’ Asked why he wanted to meet Prince Phillip, Janus replied: ‘He is a man of great vision. . . who believes strongly in the proper relationship between man and nature which will prove of great importance in future galactic harmony… perhaps you and I can discuss the subject first and you will be able to judge whether I’m dangerous or not. ‘Sir Peter devotes 14 pages to the ensuing two hour discourse, of which selected excerpts follow.
Janus began by pointing out that man was ‘now striving to break his earthly bonds and travel to the Moon and the planets beyond’. He continued: But flight to the stars is Man’s ultimate dream, although knowledge of the vast distances involved in interstellar flight makes it appear only a dream. Yet perhaps after a hundred years or so… exploration of his own solar system may be complete and it is just not in Man’s nature to stop there…
Just as tribes found other tribes and Christopher Columbus discovered on his travels unknown centers of ancient civilizations so Man in his journeys through the universe may find innumerable centers of culture far more ancient than his own…He will discover a wealth of experiences infinitely more startling and beautiful than can be imagined: and infinite variety of agencies and forces as yet unknown: great fields of gravity and anti-gravity where objects are accelerated across space like giant sling shots, even other universes with different space and time formula.
Why does Man reach for the stars? His energies have never been solely directed towards material benefits alone. From the beginning of Man’s history he has striven… towards a spirituality and grace of which he was aware but could not fully comprehend. This drive to reach out beyond himself has been the motive power behind some of Man’s finest achievements…
So Man invading space for material gain or personal glorification alone will gain nothing, but Man searching to enrich his own spirituality and nature will come closer to understanding that God is Universal.”
The following Frenchman Case reminds me of another good case that came to me since I wrote my Exopolitics book. In the book Ami Child of the Stars the young ET explains that their society is stretched across galaxies and is organized and maintained moment to moment by quantum supercomputers linked together by quantum communication networks. These computers fly their craft and even keep the craft from crashing into things as the young ET demonstrated to an earth human boy. A craft can be checked out from a hangar for free the same as we check out books from our local library when needed. Colin Andrews, one of the most well respected, credible and knowledgeable researchers, is not one to be easily taken in by frauds and hoaxers and I assume this case is well vetted. The Frenchman wrote a book on his experiences but unfortunately it has yet to be translated into English.
"In 1969, a French farmer was asked to spend one year living and working at a subterranean base in the Himalayas. A 40-year silence was imposed following his return, and in 2005, Robert L. came forward ... • Intimate contact with ETs • Daily instruction in yoga, information on the Universe, galactic communication and Earth’s dilemma • Mission to provide genetic material for Earth-like planets • Spacecraft excursion and encounter with French fighter jet. Over a period of months a farm in southern France was plagued by the appearance of lights. Balls of light appeared in the evening and surrounded the house of 20-year-old Robert L., who lived with his parents and his grandmothers.
Large balls of light moved over the ground, seeming to extinguish and re-light, eventually joining up with a giant bullet-shaped form standing vertically. They appeared to be intelligent. One evening the young man feeling exasperated attempted to run into a ball of light with his car. A race ensued over 2 miles, and Robert was unable to catch up with the ball. The car broke down. A flying vessel appeared. The temperature rose. A "flying saucer” with two domes descended to the ground where Robert saw two figures on the inside. He lost consciousness. Over the next days, Robert was overcome with fatigue and had nightmares. He slept twenty hours a day for three months.
Bullet-shaped Vessel Visitations 1967 - 1968
For two years Robert received many visits in his bedroom at night. Extra-terrestrial entities crossed through the walls and surrounded his bed. Robert was paralyzed. The visitors were tall, blond, and thin with long arms. They were dressed in skin-tight jumpsuits open at the neck and wrists, with a metallic shimmer and a wide belt. They introduced themselves as scientists from another galaxy. They took a blood sample and told him they were interested in his genetic structure.
Over the next two years, Robert was mentally and physically prepared through these visits and instructed in yoga-like exercises. A man who presented himself as the “Guide” nicknamed him “Roro”. They were part of a Galactic Confederation in charge of maintaining life on planets inhabited like the Earth. At the end of the two years of night-time training, he was invited to accompany them back to their base on Earth and to serve as a donor of genetic material to populate a faraway planet. He was assured that everything would be taken care of and he wouldn’t lack anything.
January 1969 — Departure to Himalayan Base
A spacecraft came to pick him up in a field next to his farm. It was a large, flat vessel 65 feet long with a dome. It was red like hot iron, surrounded by a yellowish-orange cloud. It landed without touching the ground. A door opened and the “Guide” welcomed him. The craft took off, with no detectable motion. Robert was worried. The Guide showed him the wall had become transparent and Robert saw what he thought was Marseille.
They were at an altitude of 40,000 meters. The trip lasted less than an hour and they arrived at a subterranean base in the Himalayas. After a night spent in a bedroom with rounded walls. Robert was served coffee which tasted as if made by his mother. He put on an outfit resembling an overall of soft, tight-fitting material. It would be changed and regenerated for the capture of magnetic rays.
Two women introduced themselves: a "Biologist” and an “Ethnologist”. In the bedroom there was an eye-shaped device which was a kind of television in 3-D where he could see and hear everything happening at his home, and listen to his parents’ conversations.
Conference with Robert L. — 2012, Toulon, France
RL: The yoga session that you just saw, this is a yoga that I learned with the hosts, the Biologist and the Ethnologist: no music, no speech, holding the posture, the feeling. But it's a very different approach because I went to yoga classes in Rodez and it seemed less life-like, less interesting, I didn't learn this method at all. Concerning the actual testimony, I'd like to thank Mr.Metz and Mr. Venturini for the enormous amount of research they've done, especially concerning the pilots when I made an excursion in France in a spacecraft which was following a Mirage III.
It's true that, considering that forty years had passed, I wanted to find someone who could help me make this testimony known, as I was aware that it was something important. I think there are other people who have experienced things just as significant or more so, and who prefer not to make it known, unfortunately.
So we're going to step back forty years. The first time I learned that balls of light could exist, I didn't believe in them at first, it was in June 1966. I was coming back from a local festival in my car; it was about one in the morning. The light in the front yard was on. That wasn't normal, and I thought something must be up. Maybe an animal was ill, or someone was ill, something was wrong. My grandmother said to me, “My dear, there were balls of light moving around, and they rose from the field up to the house. We were afraid that they could start a fire.” She went to bed fully clothed. Obviously I took a look all around, but there was nothing.
It was haying season. We'd gone to bed and I didn't think about it anymore. Then in the first week of January 1967, I was pitching hay, and I saw my father going outside to take a look. He said, “Come and look, there are those balls...” So I quietly went out of the barn, but I couldn’t see anything. My father said, “They just went out. One minute we see them, the next minute they’re gone, they go out like a light switch.” And I went back to pitching hay to give to the animals the next morning.
After two or three minutes, he said “Come and look, come and look, they're back.” This time I rushed out and I saw this giant bullet-shaped vessel and the balls that were coming up from below. We saw the balls go up into the vessel; it was about 10:30 or 11:00 at night. And so the game continued until the morning when there were balls rising and one ball on the road.
I'd been running back and forth between the front yard and the back of the house. I kept watching the balls that were moving and the ball in the middle of the road. My father was starting to get old, and I said to myself that this couldn't go on: I had to do something about it. But what? So I thought: “You're going to go up to it on foot and catch it. But what if it's full of electricity; you'll be grilled like a sardine!” (Laughter) And suddenly I said to my dad: “I just had a great idea: I'm going to take the car, and I'm going to try to get closer.” I figured that when I approached it, I'd gun it and bump it with the fender.
So I took the car and checked if there was gas, and started it up. After about a hundred feet, I thought I must be seeing things: the ball was advancing—was it me or the ball that was advancing? In fact the ball was leaving. We went like that for about one or two miles, and then I started back. At about 300 feet before the intersection toward Villefranche de Rouergue, the ball was following me, and then it went off to the right into the trees.
Then I saw some sort of flying saucer with a double dome. There were silhouettes on the inside, that's all I saw. And the heat was increasing. All this happened at the same time, and then my motor started choking. I was used to driving and drove pretty fast. So what did I do: the motor wasn't accelerating, so I stepped on the clutch in case the car conked out. I have to say that at that time there weren't a lot of people who had cars: there was the parson, the teacher, the mayor, the deputy mayor who lived in the village next door, there weren't any other cars. And in the middle of the week, no one passed through in the night.
I was really hot, I felt like I was suffocating, my head was nodding and I couldn't remember anything, I lost consciousness. And when I came back to, I was lying in a ditch. I thought, “Now what are you doing here?” And the memories came back. I went back to my car and it started on the first try.
I went back home, and I saw my parents. There was light everywhere. “What are you doing here?” I said. “Do you know what time it is?” they said. “It's four in the morning. We've been waiting for hours.” So I said, “But why didn't you go to the neighbors to try to find me? The neighbor has a motorcycle.” “But my dear, there was one ball at the front entrance, and another at the back entrance, and they stayed for several hours, all the time in the same place. They only left when you came down the hill.” That meant about a quarter mile or thirty seconds before I arrived. And now I understood why they couldn't leave. I told my family that now we were going to go to bed, it was four o'clock in the morning.
A few days later, I was incredibly tired and had to sleep. I couldn't stand up straight. The fatigue hit me and I went up to my room. I couldn't work either, for the last few days. And then after that it was more intermittent. And then later, “they” came back again. I didn't write anything down, I should have written a lot of things down. I never had the presence of mind to note down these encounters, the dates they came. I don't know why. Maybe now I would have done it.
There were tractors that worked at night in the neighboring fields. And sometimes there was this big light: it looked like a motorcycle headlight. When the tractors had left, I looked at this headlight; I stared at this “thing”. It projected light, it got huge, and at that moment I felt I had to go back to my room. And a few minutes later, rather quickly, a light passed through the wall, and the room was all lit up. And people came in. Some days, I could count up to nine people. After that it was intermittent.
I was more or less conscious, sometimes semi-conscious, I don't know. One day, I noticed a bracelet around my arm that filled up with blood. I didn't feel anything. No pricking. And then after they left I slept really well. And the next day I went back to work of course. Then I was conscious, and they started to discuss something.
The “Guide” presented himself. I was small, he said, and he was “an ace”. I said, “Who are you? Are you God? Are you angels?” (Because you know, I was raised in the Catholic tradition.) He replied, “We aren't God, we aren't angels. We are humans. We belong to the human race, like you. There is a human race in the universe. We are explorers of the stars. On our planet, we are considered as scientists. We visit different galaxies, different worlds, different solar systems, and we study.”
And little by little, we started talking. “We're going to teach you a practice that you could call 'Yoga'. There are standards, but you don't have to worry about that: We're going to show you, and you're going to work, like us.” I started my first session of yoga, I think it was the Biologist who showed me in my room which wasn't very big, “I'm going to show you two exercises, and one breathing exercise.” I had three things to do.
GD: Robert, excuse me, you had health problems, you had serious migraines, and it was after this that “they” explained that there were ways—RL: Yes, it's true I had migraines. Sometimes when working on the farm I couldn't finish my work because I had to go lie down, I was throwing up, I took medicine, aspirin, Préfagil, Calmine: terrible migraines. I threw up, it was completely dark, I couldn't stand noises or anything.
The Guide told me: “We're going to propose a task for you; of course there will be compensation. Your migraines, we have techniques to take care of that for you. You are in excellent health. But there are a few adjustments to make. And sure enough, after that it improved rapidly.” So I started on the first of October 1968, my yoga session was at 10:30 at night.
The Guide asked me, “I'd like you to come with us, to a cave in India. It's fixed up with all the comforts, there's everything you need. The day that we tell you, if you follow us, you won't take anything, just your clothes, you'll go down to the bottom of the field on the day we tell you, at the hour we tell you, and we'll take care of everything.”
I didn't respond right away, but he came back later, and between October 1968 and the first week of January 1969 when I left, they came back rather often. So did I think about it? Why not? Why wouldn't I go? I thought maybe I would die. I didn't have a girlfriend, I hadn't seen much in life. I figured I had a chance to discover something I'd never see again. So I said I would go.
He said, “You continue your work, you continue your yoga practice, and the day we tell you, you'll go down to the bottom of the field, and we'll be there. You will wait at the foot of the cherry tree, but don't go any further, and when you see a column of yellow light, at that moment you can go forward." And that's what I did. The day of the departure, I went down to the bottom of the field, and I thought “Doggone it, you're going to get into a machine like that, and if you go too high— at school I learned that if you rose in altitude, there wasn't any air—and if there wasn't any air in this machine, I was going to die, I'd be screwed!
I was really anxious at that moment. And then I received a message very strong in my head, “But no, don't worry, everything is provided for, we guarantee your life, there won't be any problem for you.” So I went down the field, and I turned around at the foot of the cherry tree and I waited. All of a sudden I saw the sky opening up. I saw a big circle, and I saw what looked like another sky in the interior. The spacecraft passed through, and then it closed up again. Then it descended quickly. It did a big circle, and landed about 200 feet away. It rocked slightly at the back, I don't know if it touched the ground or not, it was nighttime. When I saw the yellow light, I approached it. At a few yards away I saw a sliding door. The spacecraft was lit by a white light. I saw a tall man who I recognized, because he had come to my bedroom.
I went up three steps. And I sat on a very comfortable chair, which surprised me at the time, now we make chairs like that here on Earth. I looked at where I had entered from, but I couldn't recognize the place where I'd entered because the door wasn't there anymore. I was trapped, closed in, couldn't get out. And it didn't move. I said, “We aren't leaving?” and they said, “We've already left!”
In front of me, or just below me a big panel became transparent, it looked like glass. I saw light below, a big city below, I wasn't sure but I thought it was Marseille. I got up, and sat down quickly. They said, “We're at 130,000 feet.” They didn't say whether we were above Marseille or not. But there was a town set back a bit, on the right. So we must have been veering to the east. The voyage lasted from about 50 minutes to an hour. Then the panel opened and I went out. It was a place not like here.
Everything was arched; there were no hard angles or anything. I was told where my bedroom was, that I had everything I needed. I was told to go to bed, and we'd see in the morning. The next morning I woke up, and there was coffee! The same taste as my mother's! It was like she'd brought it to me. And I felt a little more safe. We worked almost a whole year: there were yoga exercises, discussions, I read “Science and Life” (a French science magazine), some issues of “Science Lives You” at the time. I spoke about it to Jean-Claude Venturini, he even found some issues of “Science and Life”, one of them spoke about “quasars”, I had no idea what it was.
On the subject of yoga postures, I asked if there were names for what I was doing. They said it's not your business; all that counts is that you work, you have to work. We're going to give you work until the end of your life, and you still won't have finished. But you'll see, if you work well, when you are old enough to retire you'll realize you were given a magnificent treasure. It took me forty years, and now I'm beginning to realize it a little. But it's true that what I practice has nothing to do with what is practiced in yoga classes.
What else did I learn? Oh yes, I learned that our lives have twelve cycles of seven years each. The first three up to age 21, birth, growth, the minimum information to get along in life, and then from 21 to 64 where we achieve things or we don't, we try to lead a life as best we can. At 64 comes the age for the practice of mental yoga which I learned at the time but was told not to practice it until the age of retirement. And so I started to work on it, but it's rather difficult, it's daunting, but it allows you to go to a certain level of understanding, of personal growth, to be able to liberate yourself, to attain a certain liberation.
GD: Can you talk about what their motive was, why they needed you? RL: They told me I had certain genetic characteristics, which allowed them to populate, or repopulate, to bring certain elements of life to a planet that was in a state of extinction.
GD: Can you talk about two episodes, the “airplane”, and the famous meeting? RL: One evening the Biologist asked me, “Would you like to take part in a meeting where there would be groups of people from all over the universe, held in a special room? You've never been there and it would allow you to advance a little, to see how we work.” I said yes, why not. And at that moment there was a dispute between the Guide and this woman, the Biologist. At first he said no flatly, and they looked at each other face to face, there was an exchange without any words. And the Biologist turned to me and said, “Yes, you can participate on one condition, you'll sit where we tell you, you won't ask any questions, you won't say a word, and you won't move until the end.” “Not to worry,” I said, “you can count on me.”
It was a big oval-shaped room, there was an oval table, and about the same kind of chairs that you find in the space-crafts. There was nobody, and then suddenly, someone appeared. And it continued, there were nobody, and suddenly someone. I don't know how many seats there were, but there were quite a few. So the people, they were human beings, with yellow skin, red skin, black skin, people who looked like Chinese, people who looked like Indian tribes. And in the middle of the table, just above it, a huge ball, like a ball of light, and you could see different solar systems.
At one point I thought I saw a planet where three suns were evolving, and the Biologist who was next to me, she was probably afraid that I'd move or make a scene, she said to me, “You see, Roro, the Universe, it’s fantastic.” Sometimes the people looked at each other, they didn't speak. You could also see people in the sphere who looked like they were communicating with people in the room who were sitting in their seats.
There were times when some of them spoke with a guttural voice (imitates the sound), I didn't understand anything! And to see this big ball with the solar systems on the inside, I never saw anything like it again, it was magnificent, magnificent. It's true that the universe—you can see it's so much more beautiful and we are so much more than we can possibly think. We are absolutely extraordinary beings, the human race is extraordinary.
What else did they tell me? Something I want to emphasize, the fact that our own planet, it's not just ours. “You know, Roro,” they said, “you say that there are different ethnic groups, different races—No! There is one human race. People of color, with red skin, etc., they are varieties of the human race, but there is one human race in the universe. Of course, there are other races, but they don't have the same characteristics as the human race. They're just as intelligent, just as respectable.”
They also told me that they belonged to a sort of federation, a huge galactic federation where there are directors of planets, directors of solar systems. For the less-advanced systems, we don't speak about directors, but people who supervise. I understood that our planet was watched over continuously, 24 hours a day, 7 days a week. When I came back, it was right at the time of the trip to the moon. I learned that when I got back, because they hadn't talked to me about it.
I learned that we had been on the moon in 1969. In the 70's I often listened to the radio or TV programs and I saw scientists who said: there is only the earth, we are a unique experience, there is no other life in the universe, it doesn't exist. Other scientists, there was one, a commentator whose name I don't remember, who said, “We're certainly going to make bases on the moon, we're going to send spaceships there, and since there's less gravity there, we're going to launch from there” etc. etc.
The Guide told me: “You are conquerors, you are warriors. The leaders of your planet, civil or military, they are conquerors, they are go-getters, they are mentally ill. (He used this term “mentally ill”.) “You need to understand, as long as you go round in circles on your planet; we're going to let you go round. But when it comes to going elsewhere, we'll prevent you.” He looked at me and I guarantee he was serious. It seemed like it posed a problem for him. “We'll prevent you!” And so it didn't surprise me, when the Americans and the Russians wanted to construct bases on the moon I knew very well that they wouldn't. And time proved I was right. We never went there again.
GD: So he wanted to say that it if our leaders weren't so aggressive, they would agree to contact with us? RL: Yes, certain races, not they because they're far away in another galaxy, but there are other people of the human race in our galaxy who are members of the federation who have asked certain governments of Earth if they needed help. “We can help you.” The governments said no.
The governments also prohibited the publication of anything, the circulation of any information concerning other races in the universe. So what do these races do? It's very simple; they show themselves to the population. They go around and when we see them, they leave. They do it gradually, but more intensely as the years go by. They go across the Earth, and that's what seems to be the case now, as far as the testimonies I've heard. To get back to the scientists that I heard, I thought either they don't know anything, “discount” scientists as I like to call them, or they've been told not to reveal anything. There are two solutions. I think that the scientists aren't idiots, people who study the sky with telescopes, they're not idiots, or maybe they don't allow themselves to give out any information.
Concerning the trip to France aboard the spacecraft. It was October 27th, the day before the Biologist asked me, “Would you like to go on an excursion? We're going to take a trip to France.” I said why not. “So tomorrow we'll come to get you, and you'll be able to come, we'll go for a ride.” And the next day we took the elevator up to the platform, and there was a spacecraft, apparently it wasn't exactly touching the ground. So I approached it, there was the Biologist in the back, the Ethnologist to the side, and when I wanted to get in the spacecraft, there were people inside.
So she pushed me, “No, no don't be afraid; get in, nothing will happen to you. We're going for a ride and we'll be back.” There were different people, there was the pilot, there was a tall man who wasn't smiling; all at once I felt he looked mean. This one's going to eat me alive, what's going to happen to me? He was looking all around. He seemed to be feeling all the people around him. At one point he looked at me, and he looked away. The door closed, there was no metal at the bottom, and it was glass, so I could see the platform.
Then suddenly, I saw the Earth moving away rapidly. As we weren't moving, I thought I was going to vomit. And then I looked at the interior and saw the instruments. The man said to me, “We're above Italy. We're going down to 33,000 feet, reducing speed to about 600 miles per hour, and there you'll see two French fighter jets. We're going to approach them.” Then the spacecraft became transparent, like we were in a glass bubble. And he said, “Look.” I saw the jet which was far away, and then suddenly it was there, we flew down and got behind the plane, a Mirage. Then I could see its instrumental panel appear on our screen, like something on a computer! And the Guide said, the instrumental panel is displayed, that’s good.
So we passed it on the right, ascended to its level, about 200 feet away. We were going at the same speed, and then we passed over it and under it, following it. At one point I saw the pilot who turned his head slightly to the right, so he saw us. And I saw two letters on the plane: FB. I remembered that. And the Guide wanted that imprinted in my mind. I looked, and because he wanted me to look, I tried not to look.
Then the plane turned slightly to the right, towards us, like it was coming toward us. And suddenly I saw the plane become like a point. The Guide said, “If we hadn't left, the plane would have encrusted itself in the energy field of our spacecraft and it would have gone, like confetti, in a single second.” And I said, “What if they'd shot at us?” “There's no problem, because when the energy field is on, no element, solid, liquid or gas can penetrate the spacecraft. However, we don't have the right to destroy a vessel.
If we destroy one, we would be severely reproached by our hierarchy.” So I understood that there would be sanctions. I understood that when a jet followed them, they preferred to escape rather than destroy the vessel. They're very respectful of the human race here. Where they’re from, they don't destroy their people, even if they're not from their home.
To get back to the races, they told me there is the human race, the cat is a race, the dog is a race, and the cow is a race. But they're different. There are cats with long hair, cats with short hair. There are big ones, others that are small, with dogs it's the same. And the dog race is not the wolf race even though they look alike. So I understood that we here on Earth, we have wars because we detest other groups, ethnic or otherwise, even though we all belong to the human race.
GD: If you hadn't met these people, you would have remained an “uninformed” farmer in Aveyron. A long family tradition, in fact things changed when you came back. RL: It's true that I was destined to take over the farm. They said, instead of working the soil, you're going to work with other humans. It happened somewhat later, but it happened. My father and I were ready to sign for the succession of the farm, and I refused. I disappointed my father. But he finally understood, and it's true it was a big disappointment. I did a little construction work, and then made a request to train as a health care assistant at the Rodez hospital, and that's how I began there.
I wanted to work in the geriatric ward because I was fascinated with death. It came from experiences I had with them, it didn't come from me but from a machine they had. They could exteriorize the true being from the physical body. That helps me a lot at the moment. I'm not afraid. You can see your physical body lying down somewhere when you're just beside it, for example. Or sit on your own lap. That seems funny, doesn't it! So I worked at the Rodez hospital. I saw a lot of people die and it allowed me to see how people feel when they pass over, what the people saw at the moment of transition. It's very special. Maybe I helped some people, reassuring them.
Because “leaving the body” is very peculiar. Sometimes the transition phase happens very quickly, sometimes it lasts a long time, and people are in comas. I studied the intermediate stages a lot. It's what they asked me to do, too. I worked on it because I understood that sharing these moments and intermediate states was extremely important. I open a door, I try to see where I'm at in a hall, I'm between two systems, I stay there, what does it mean when I stay there and don't move? It's the fear of moving forward, the fear of the unknown. And once the people have passed and have regrouped, they're happier than the people who stay.
I saw a person one day, someone showed me, it was an image someone brought back to me when I was in India, and they showed me a man who was going to die, in Africa. They said, observe what's going to happen. The man's anxiety, he felt he was going to die, he was very ill, he was terrified, maybe it's that way with everybody, we're so afraid. There was his African family grouped together and then, he left his body. I saw him afterward, he said, “it’s fantastic! I'm living.” And he saw his body, and you know what he did? He burst out laughing, “My God, it's incredible, it's fantastic”, and to his family he said “you deal with it” and he was gone.
GD: Getting back to your life at the base. You could see your parents' house. Thanks to the work of Jean-Claude Venturini, we could verify that the base site was true, for example concerning the timing of the meals. Can you explain how you could see your parents' house when you were there?
RL: Yes, I told them I wanted to know what my parents were up to, so they installed a device for me that looked like an eye. There were three buttons. I didn't touch them much because I'm not very good at electronics, I was afraid of breaking it and would have to call them and they'd be pissed off. I saw from above, I saw their car. I only had to approach and I could see what was happening inside the house. I saw my parents eating. One day I even saw them fighting. I thought, no way—at their age? There was a big tree. They told me that they had put some sort of device on this tree. I saw the town, a little bit above the roofs, as if it was raised a bit. It's true that changed my life. It wasn't always easy, there were times I was anxious and lonely, too. I felt pretty isolated. One or two years after my return from India, I was at a local festival, there was a guy at Villefranche de Rouergue who had a Citroën DS (French luxury car). “Leave your car here and let's go to Caussade, there's a nightclub there, we can dance.” I said why not. I didn't know this guy very well. So we went dancing. However, I didn't drink alcohol and he didn't either. After that we came back, everything cool, it was about one in the morning, and suddenly there was a huge shock.
I was lost in thought, and he hit his head on the steering wheel or I don't know what, his nose was bleeding, the headlights were on, and he said, “I don't know what's happening, the car stopped all of a sudden.” Me, I hadn't touched anything, so we got out of the car and we moved ahead to see what was lighting up the headlights of the DS. There was a drop of about 100 feet, and we were about a yard away from it! I looked at him. At first I didn't feel the shock, nothing was wrong with me. He looked at me, stepped back about a yard like he was going to fall.
He said, “I'm afraid of you. You drive, you drive, I don't want to drive anymore.” So I drove his car and we went back. He said, “I don't ever want to see you again. I don't know who you are, I'm afraid of you.” I wasn't aware of making him afraid. I was just looking at him, I didn't even tell him we just about got ourselves killed. Nothing. I don't know what happened there. We were really just stopped suddenly, and he cracked I'm telling you.
GD: I'd like to go back to a certain point. When you invited us, at first it surprised me; you said you had received the authorization to receive all three of us. As soon as we arrived, you gave us the famous message. Now you can't say that you had a university education, and this message was so well-written with hardly any mistakes, where exactly did it come from, how did you do it?
RL: Yes, it was a pretty long message, to describe like that a whole year's experience; I wasn't sure how to do it. I felt more and more pressured to do it so I got behind the computer, and not a word, not one word, a total vacuum. I didn't know what I was going to write. And when I opened Word, I was ready to type, and suddenly the words came, it happened really fast, I didn't re-read anything, and I had to keep up. I don't type very fast; I'm not very good at it. Sometimes I wondered what I was going to write, I had an idea, then it was gone. Then it came back and it came back and it came back. I worked for about twenty minutes, it went really fast and then suddenly it stopped. I reread it and I thought, this corresponds to what I experienced. It was done directly, even though I didn't have any idea how to organize it.
GD: You could see the page that I presented, it's structured, it's all like that. There's the “Biologist”, the “Ethnologist”, everyone with his own part, and it gives an idea about how they conceive their society, the way they live, and it's very instructive. Anyway, it came to you like that, it's very surprising. We received this paper, like this, it's he who wrote it, like under the influence.
RL: Yes, that's true, to find words like that I'd be surprised, and I've practically forgotten, I'll have to do it again. I wouldn't be able to do it again. GD: Buy the book! (Laughter)
Open Questions From the Audience.
Q: What was it like when you returned home? RL: I'd lost the habit of life on the farm, so a few weeks before I left I was anxious. The day came, there was the Biologist, the Ethnologist, the Guide, we came back, to the same field, practically the same place, I'd say even to the millimeter. I was getting out; the Guide gave me an envelope, a yellow envelope from the post office. “You take this, it's a compensation for the work you did there.” And I gave the two women a kiss. I almost had tears in my eyes because they had been so nice.
It hurt to leave these people. So I went back up to the farm, and when I arrived in the front yard, my father was waiting for me! I was surprised, I had expected to find the door locked, I thought I was going to have to sleep in the hay, no big deal. “I received a letter yesterday saying you'd be back today about 10:30pm.” “Oh really,” I said, “it wasn't me who sent you the letter.” It's the same thing; I should have saved the letter to see where it came from. It's incredible. Or they have a way of making you forget things.
GD: Your father knew about the voyage, but your mother didn't, you told her something. RL: Yes, my mother, I told her before I left for the cave—I wasn't going to tell my mother that I was going to leave with some extra-terrestrials, she'd have a heart attack, the poor lady! So I told her that I was going to work in Paris and that I wouldn't stay in touch, I wouldn't write because I wouldn't have the time.
So she believed that I went to work in Paris for the SNCF (train company) or somewhere. I told my father that I was leaving with them, and he wasn't surprised. But I have the impression that my father also had more experience than he would admit. He seemed like he was “in the know” about certain things.
GD: And what was in the envelope? RL: There were 100 franc bills in the envelope, 27,000 francs worth (5,000 dollars). I asked them why they gave me this compensation and where it came from. The Guide said, “There are people here on Earth, smaller, who look like human beings and work in military bases, or in high technology companies who have salaries. And we're organized on the planet.” 27,000 francs at the time, it wasn't bad! With that I bought a car, it was a Ford, I still drive a Ford, I remained loyal to the make!
Q: Have you kept contact with them over the last 40 years, and what is the contact like? Does everyone speak French? RL: When I was with the Biologist, the Ethnologist and the Guide, they spoke to me in French. I noted often that they communicated with each other without speaking at all. Sometimes with maintenance people there was a “Hi there”, a smile, but nothing more.
Q: Do you feel protected since your return? And what was their feeling about the future of the planet; did they see anything positive or negative about its future? RL: We spoke about it a little. What they said is that we were in the process of destroying our beautiful planet. Now looking back, and now I'm speaking from the present moment, our planet is going to take a deep breath, like it's done maybe for thousands of years.
A planet breathes, it lives, it hears. Sometimes I hear it; I listen to it, because if we want to get in contact with the universe, we have to know how to listen, and above all to be quiet. We have to distance ourselves from noise. It's then that you'll see that birds come to you, animals come to you, even aggressive animals, they'll come to you without hurting you. And I feel that the planet is in the process of taking a deep breath, and by taking this breath, it's something I sense deeply, this breath will come out of its center and it's going to rise, which means that tectonic plates are going to move, and there'll be repercussions on the surface of the planet. It sounds weird, a planet that breathes, that lives. It hears, we can send it our thoughts, in a way we can say it's a mother, it's our mother.
Q: How do you feel about the possibility that you are the father of hybrid children on other planets? And what did you eat at the base? RL: I don't know. I guess I refuse to think about it, I don't know. They gave me this information; they never gave me the means to verify it. So what we ate at the base, it was a kind of food made from little marbles which could be chewed easily. There were some that had the taste of meat, of grains, that were pretty good to eat. It was pretty nourishing because I didn't feel hungry. How it was manufactured, I don't know.
Q: Why did this happen to you in particular? RL: Why me and not someone else? Rest assured, I don't think I'm the only one; others have maybe had different experiences. It's not the same for everybody. A lot of people don't want to talk about it. Me, I was asked to do so. If I hadn't I wouldn't be here tonight. If they hadn't asked me to give the message forty years later, I wouldn't have said anything. Maybe I also thought that if I refused to follow their orders, what would happen to me? After all, they were so insistent; I figured maybe it was best to carry it through to the end. I have the idea that I'm not afraid of death, but well...
Q: I respect your story, the only thing I want to say is that the message you say you received, a lot of people on this planet of which you are a part say they have received the message by contemplation, spirituality, meditation. So what is special about your experience? RL: I don't know. Maybe it's up to you to tell me. Maybe by circulating the information in different ways, either by books, meetings or other ways, maybe it can touch other people.
Q: Regarding what my wife just said, do you take yourself for an “Initiated”? RL: Initiated in what? No, not at all. I'm not an initiated in anything. It's a term I don't even understand. How do I see it? Life is an evolution. The human race must evolve. I was asked to do a job, I wasn't asked to act like God the Father or anything else. I was asked to work. To work in order to advance. We're going to talk about components made from certain spheres, when we access it, and when we feel it, broad spheres, not superior spheres—superior compared to what? It's about raising the consciousness; it's far from being sufficient. It begins there. After, there's all the rest, there's not only that. Evolution in the universe, it's not only that.
GD: You have to remember that Robert was chosen for his genetic qualities, and did a favor. They did him a favor too, by giving him exceptional health, by making him aware that humanity, our humanity, needs to be rethought on other levels, and that later he could communicate his experience, which is certainly limited, but which could contribute later to the awakening of all our consciousness. It doesn't go any further.
Q: Concerning the different stages of life. I think you said that there were 7 or 9 stages; can you elaborate on this a bit? RL: Yes, there are 12 stages of 7 years each. 7 times 12 that makes 84. There are 3 stages up to the age of 21 which allow us to advance, then there are the stages when we're sort of cast out to life, where we construct our life, our house, we have children, we raise them, etc. and then life, from 63 to 84, during these 21 years we must consolidate our lives and think about our future if you like, make an assessment of our life, try to grow, because we have the time on the mental level, that's why since I was 63 I began to work a little on mental yoga, the mental yoga that they also taught me.
They taught me more or less what to do when I was in India; they said this part you won't do until you have retired. So, since we're on the subject let me elaborate: given the fact that the body becomes old, this form of mental yoga allows you to be able to expand a bit to another part of the universe, you exteriorize your personal self so to speak the true “being” of your physical body.
I had special exercises. They also showed me that it could be extremely dangerous—they could lead you of course to good results, but also to dangerous results if badly practiced. They showed me at the time how far you could go, what happened after a certain exercise, what happened after another exercise. But obviously these exercises, I can't say what they were because I don't have the authority to reveal it, could cause more bad than good. But it can show us when we practice it, that we humans are absolutely phenomenal, fantastic, and there's no end to freedom. If we have constraints, it's we who create them, we constrain ourselves to stay where we are.
I'll give you a little exercise I'm doing at the moment. You try improving your memory. I do visualization, and then I maintain the thought in my head, give energy to the thought, and then project the thought. A while ago I wanted to make an experiment at Villefranche de Rouergue by a big supermarket, just to verify if this technique worked. Maybe you'll say it's not very honest what I did, but I didn't do anything wrong to anyone. I picked out a woman coming out of the store and a friend of hers was waiting in the car. So she came out to go to the car. I projected the thought, “You're not going to go to the car, you're going to go back to the store”. And how surprised I was (I had injected this thought as hard as I could) this woman turned around and went back in the store.
And when she was back inside, I thought; “Now you're going to turn around and go back to the car.” She went about ten feet, then she turned around and went back to the car. And I said, “Now you're going to go around the car.” And she went around the car, and said to her friend (I wasn't very far away and could hear), “My God, my head is spinning, I don't know what's wrong with me.” So I said to myself, I'll never do this again. Do you understand how far we can go? It's great but you have to be careful—you put these exercises in the hands of people and you see what you could do.
I did another experiment with a friend I had seen at the UFO Meeting in Châlons. This time I was in particularly good shape. I said to myself, “Okay, you're sitting here on this chair, and you're going to place your body, you're going to eject yourself from it and try to go meet him.” I don't even know where he lives, but I visualized his town, and lo and behold one day this man writes to Georges Metz: “I don't know what happened to me, I was in a waiting room at the doctor's and I saw Roro, I saw him with red eyes that looked at me, and I was afraid.” And after that he was looking for me everywhere. Apparently I had evaporated like a hare, because when I realized that he was terrified, I got out of there. So two experiments to show you just how dangerous it can be, because humanity isn't ready for this. But that being said, a lot of people do it.
Q: I'd like to ask about their physical aspect. You said they were very tall, and also, in your opinion where did they come from? RL: They said they came from a neighboring galaxy. Maybe it's been detected by now, I don't know, but at the time, they said the galaxy they came from wasn't known to our scientists. As to their appearance, they looked more or less like us; they were white, about six and a half feet tall, except for the arms which are longer than ours. And the eyes were like our Japanese or Chinese, but not horizontal like us, they were slightly slanted.
Q: They had hair? RL: Yes, they had hair. Q: The women too? Were they pretty? RL: Oh yes, very beautiful. I almost fell in love. (Laughter) GD: At one point they described how their engines functioned and there's an explanation in the book for what it's worth, it's good, they try to explain fairly in depth how their spaceships work and the different types they use.
RL: Yes, that's right I asked them about that because they are spacecraft which can remain in the air without limit. They made me a drawing and explained that under the spaceship there is a big circle with two rings, rotating in opposite directions. That produces energy, enough for an atomic bomb. They said it was unlimited. They said that their technicians could remove the engine in my Peugeot in less than an hour and replace it with a little box much smaller than the engine. I could then drive around without gas as long as it worked, and when my car finally broke down, the little box would still work.
Q: It's the principal of free energy? RL: I don't know what it's called. Q: How can they come from so far away? RL: They come from so far because they said they don't travel in a straight line, they don't like straight lines. They said they were more clever than that, they pass through a kind of corridor. They said if it's rather long, you can compress time, you go backwards and that allows you to arrive in the amount of time you want and much faster.
Q: A simple question: one year is a long time. What was your typical day like? RL: A typical day of work—in the morning I washed and had breakfast. We had a session of yoga, then I went for a walk. We discussed things, they taught me things, I think I forgot most of it, I should have noted it down.
Q: Their writing? Their alphabet? RL: No, I only saw the sign, a symbol you could say, it's in the book. No, I don't have a response for everything. In fact I believed that there were other people, too. I even asked them if they'd contacted a lot of people. They said that the Federation had contacted about 300,000 people on the planet at the time.
Q: So what are the consequences for humanity? RL: I think that what I'm going to say, everyone can sense it—that we're under surveillance 24 hours a day, that they're watching us, they prevent us from doing certain things, they prevent us from going into space I think. They told me, as long as your behavior is aggressive, as long as you want to finance things at all costs, as long as you want to destroy your world, you will destroy it. And since you are capable of destroying another, we have to keep an eye on you.
Q: Do you think they have already been introduced into certain milieus, that they're already on the Earth? RL: Absolutely, I think that everybody is aware of that. Yes, the military knows about it. Q: Do they spy, do they observe? Do they report things? RL: Yes, but you know, they have the means. I won't get into it, no, I don't have the authority to reveal any information.
Q: Why wait 40 years to deliver your message? RL: Because if I had delivered it at the time, with certain things I would maybe have been committed to an insane asylum. Q: So for 40 years, what contacts have you had? RL: No, I already said, I haven’t had any contact, but I had another way of working. Understand who will!
Q: When you say they forbid us from leaving the planet, it's a bit strange, because what's happening at the moment with the space station, and we've gone from the nuclear threat of the last 50 years to, just the contrary, a brotherly collaboration if you will with our advanced technology. So what is the danger, what would be the danger for others?
RL: You would need to explain what happened at the American nuclear site. So while in space there's a third dimension, God that is, and it's like—I think if they had let us, the military, the scientists, do what we wanted, I think there would be a lot of damage and maybe we'd have a hard time eating.
GD: There's an indirect proof of this surveillance, you explained to us in the book, that they wouldn't hesitate to neutralize the American and Russian atomic sites. Now there was a conference not long ago in Washington where high-ranking military explained that this happened. We already knew it, but they admitted it in a press conference and so I think that it's clear that this surveillance is really happening and even in France, near Plateau d'Albion, there is very strong testimony to the same effect.
Q: So that’s it—there won't be any more conflict! RL: I don't know. This is how I see it: it’s true there are wars, conflicts, and as long as we are still limited, it’s not bothering them too much but they see that we are capable of destroying ourselves, so what else are we capable of destroying? You only destroy the physical support. When somebody dies, he's taken care of, because we're not capable. They talked to me about the Second World War, there were millions of dead, people die all the time. It's the physical support.
Humanity lacks humility, because we always want to analyze things, even judge what happens in the beyond, with our knowledge which has been extremely out of date for a long time. We have nothing to do with their science, with their technology, with their spirituality. This is the big problem of human beings on Earth. Our economic system only functions if we produce more, we're consumers, we have to consume, if we don't consume the system collapses. Their organization isn't like that. That's why we search for shale oil, that's why we drill holes in the planet, that's why we bleed it to death, and that's why after a while it starts to get sick of it. It's going to take a deep breath. You'll see how humanity's going to be ejected.
Q: But maybe they'll help us in that case? Why don't they give us the key if they have it? RL: The key! It's simple—we are the key—it's up to our leaders to see to it that the system is abandoned. The system isn't good. Another thing I noticed that no one talks about, no one will talk to you about it, even me I shouldn't talk about it.
Q: Excuse me; I'd like to make a remark because you say that the extra-terrestrials that you met don't want us to leave the planet to go elsewhere because of our past and our psychology, our defects if you will. So we know as well as the American cosmonauts who talked about it 40 years later that we're not welcome on the moon, but at the same time, they come to get human genetic material to implant it on other planets, so they're sure to bring them war and destruction. I don't understand.
RL: It's not complicated, the physical body—it's genetics, but the spirit that lives in the physical body is maybe completely different. The mind-set, the mentality, it's up to each one to build it, to modify it. Q: Do you have the spirit of a warrior? RL: Yes. It's up to each one to modify his or herself, you have to begin by knowing yourself, by changing yourself, by studying yourself. Is my way of projecting myself in the universe, my manner of living, of relating to others going to produce a n negative effect—we can expand on that for hours.
Q: At one point you spoke of transit, can you say a bit more about changing one's state of consciousness? RL: I think the people need it explained to them. There's a lack, because you have to work on the mental—that demands a lot of technique which I learned. I was talking a while ago about the level of concentration and the projection of thought, so it demands work. You have to look at what you're doing, and that can be dangerous during a transit or a trip. If you want to project your mental body into your true body, there'll be a loss of energy in the physical body that means there's a transfer.
After a certain time, you'll arrive at a point zero. I call it the “zero point”. At the zero point you have a false energy in the mental body, and practically none in the physical body. So if you want to move your arm, your arm won't move because there's no energy left, you understand, so it causes panic, if there is panic in the energy, the heart accelerates or slows down and you risk a heart attack, you risk death. I learned to work with this in India.
It's not a joke. There are people who ask me to teach it to them; no, I can't, not only am I not authorized to do so, I wouldn't do it. As much as it's effective, if it's badly done it's dangerous. Even I am very, very careful, especially with others because you have to respect people, respect who they are. If you go to their home like that, we don't go to people's homes incognito. We can move around in the universe, all over the place, you get information, but it's the silence. I've become a servant of silence.
Q: Do you have other revelations concerning the near future, and your mission? RL: That will depend on the evolution of humanity, it will depend if there are conflicts, if the planet starts moving, it won't depend just on me. At the moment, maybe there will be thousands of people who are going to stand up to calm and improve the human condition. I have to say it. If not, with a simple ball an inch or so in diameter, they can destroy all life on the planet in less than fifteen minutes. You know they won't do it. It's not their role and they don't have the right anyway. That's not done anymore; maybe it was done millions of years ago when there were a lot of planets in the development phase. Now there are a lot of planets which are in a state of great evolution and all that, all those wars are finished.
Q: Unless I'm wrong, all during your speech you made reference to the scientific community, so I would like to know if at the time that you saw the spacecraft on your property behind the house, and when for example they arrived in your room, did you note the hour, some details, etc.? At the place where this cigar thing touched down, was the scientific community aware of it, did they come, were any measurements taken? You yourself saw the grass crushed. You said that it was very hot, so maybe a burn?
RL: No, I never thought of looking for all that. Q: When you were in discussion with these people, you spoke a lot about life, but according to them, is there life after death? RL: Yes, of course. It's simply—even religions say it, it's a bit crude—it's the separation of the spirit from the body. What is the spirit, it's the true being. When we expand our circle we are absolutely marvelous beings. We have to work first of all. It will come in good time. You realize it took me forty years.
We're not far. Scientists are not far now from creating a device which permits you to follow along as the mental body and the true body separate. I think we're not far off. In what year are they going to do that—in 30 years? Maybe in 30 years the human race will have advanced. You know at the time they told me we were so aggressive we were going to destroy ourselves; they were obliged to intervene simultaneously at Russian and American nuclear bases.
Q: Did your visitors give you any information about 2012? RL: No, nothing.
Excerpts from ‘Ovnis en France’
RL: I was raised in the Catholic religion, the priest told us that those who did not follow this religion would never see God, and that children who weren’t baptized wouldn’t go to heaven. What should I believe?
GUIDE: All that is the nonsense of those who represent the religions and think that theirs is the best. Roro, there is what people think, and what is for us the order of the Universe. What we call the order of the Universe is the group of all the laws and the manifestations of nature which govern life: birth, aging, death, the movement of the planets, their creation, their organization, their evolution, the movement of the solar systems, from the greatest to the most miniscule molecule. All that has nothing to do with the sectarianism and the pride of the various representatives of the world’s religions. You, as well as all the creatures from whatever universe, belong to a plan organized by the energetic forces which go way beyond anything you could conceive on Earth: yes Roro, you are a child member of the Universe and you have a role to play.
We are proposing to you a close collaboration with us, of course it won’t be easy for you, instead of being a farmer as you wanted, we are going to propose a training and practice of techniques which are going to transform you quickly. We need you for an important mission which is going to allow a planet far away in another galaxy to progress. In exchange we’re going improve your health, I believe you suffer from terrible migraines; we’re going to take care of that if you want. You have everything to gain. We’re going to come to see you often. In return we ask you not to speak of this to anyone. Absolute silence and we know that we can count on you. RL: It’s true that I have terrible headaches, but if you come often, the neighbors are going to notice with the powerful lights of yours.
BIOLOGIST: We are populating a new planet in our galaxy and for that we need people with different physical characteristics with regard to blood groups, and other characteristics of the composition of human cells for the repopulation. It starts from a distant level, then during centuries and millenniums the blood relations become closer, diminishing the solidity of the race after thousands of years of inbreeding, and leading to massive destruction of entire populations. This requires large-scale cross-fertilization, or the modification of the framework of the physical body. RL: At the time I didn’t understand, but now I think she was talking about the human genome.
GUIDE: Your planet is mistreated. The extraction of various minerals, coal and petrol risks ultimately modifying the magnetic field of the planet. At the same time the Earth will be passing through a zone of turbulence in space. Nothing stops. All the planetary systems reposition, some further away, others approach, the dance of the Universe. Universes die, others are born. Your governments are afraid of us.
Why? Are they uncomfortable not being alone in the Universe? They know very well that we don’t want to harm any inhabitants; they are partially aware of the capacity of our technology. Why don’t they want to tell the citizens? They ridicule the reports of those who have seen us and have spoken up. So the Interplanetary Confederation decided to show our capacity to the greatest number of people possible. The world over needs to know that we exist and that Manifest Intelligence is everywhere in the Universe.
RL: Will there be contact later? GUIDE: The directors of the solar systems will decide, but only in the next century (that is, the 21st century). Our planet, as well as those who have access to a high level of technology are managed by a planetary government, and this is controlled by a group of “scientists”, citizens who have significant experience in most of the domains which concern our life. These scientists who we call “soul pollsters” form a network throughout the entire solar system.
They can read the deepest and most secret thoughts. They see people not as they wish to be seen, but as they really are. These scientists are greatly feared by our inhabitants, and even by our directors, because with their thoughts they can manipulate matter. They have a particular status, and don’t need a vessel for travelling. In our worlds, dissent, disobedience, cheating with respect to our morals or our code of ethics is severely punished.
On the other hand we have of course great individual liberty: to walk about, visit other planets. Most of the inhabitants of our worlds have visited planets more or less evolved. Sometimes travel is organized in enormous vessels to visit various systems organized in other worlds. Conflicts, wars, but also what is good in these organizations is studied and shown to our people, as comparison. They realize that any deviation from what has been established for us is ultimately very dangerous.
The necessity of order, of discipline, desire to progress and to be useful. Laziness is not permitted with us. Each one works according to his own competence. Each one must accept a job which corresponds to his skill. If he wants a job inferior to his capacity, his advantages will be less than for one who would accept a job corresponding to his capacity. The purpose is to continue ascending. The births on our planet do not happen by chance. They are discussed, evaluated. They are programmed according to genetic components, to need, to the number of inhabitants. Everything is organized. At a certain age, children enter evaluation centers, followed by training. They leave their parents at about twelve years of age, to assume the task they have been assigned.
They took him on a tour of the cave which was actually a base with several floors, constructed over 3000 feet below the earth. It was surrounded by a triple magnetic belt which insulated and protected the base from earthquakes. There were numerous rooms. An elevator opened onto a platform in the open air where he could go in the evening, though he was accompanied. The terrain was rugged with high snowcapped mountains. The Guide demonstrated how he could disintegrate a tree with a ball-like device which he carried with him at all times.
The space-crafts accessed the base by way of a snaking tunnel with a funnel shaped entrance situated lower in the valley. It opened onto an immense hangar where the space-crafts and personnel were located. Robert saw vessels entering from 90 feet away. He was permitted to walk around the interior of the base, except for certain zones.
One day he forced entry into the rooms containing nuclear, magnetic and electric fields. He was pushed back by an invisible wall. Daily life at the base Robert was taken care of by the Biologist who explained to him nicely what was expected of him: a regular sperm donation. This operation, destined to populate a planet, took place every two days.
There were conversations between the Guide and the Ethnologist about our Earth civilizations. Of particular interest was our behavior and how we treated the planet. They gave him much advice on physical and mental health. He received regular yoga instruction. Despite their politics of benevolence and noninterference and their respect for “free will”, caution would be taken regarding nuclear dangers. In case of nuclear conflict, intervention was possible.
Robert observed an ambience of peace and harmony at the base. The occupants seemed to master perfectly the present and the future. Everything was planned to the smallest detail. Order and discipline seemed to be the motto. It was said that the extra-terrestrials were 20,000 years ahead of our civilization. They explained the Universe to him as well as interstellar communication. Thanks to Dr. Jean-Noel Aubrun
Meeting of Galactic Federation
At one point the Biologist invited Robert to observe a meeting. He was ordered to remain perfectly quiet and simply to observe. The room was equipped with a big oval table, and he watched in surprise as one by one the guests of different races began to materialize around the table. People appearing in 3-D had discussions with the guests about suns and the movement of spacecraft between the planets.
The Guide also gave Robert information on time and space and the magnetic energy needed for travelling. The Guide told him he was able to live four to five hundred years before changing bodies, and that death didn’t exist. The only thing that counted was the perpetual evolution of the soul. The body was only a container.
October 2005—Revelation at European UFO conference
At the first European UFO conference in Châlonsen-Champagne (France) in October 2005, Robert revealed his story. The Guide had told him to keep the story secret for 40 years. Robert believes he has a foreign implant in his back. During the conference, another contactee with paranormal abilities, examined him and found something moving under Robert’s skin which emitted an electric charge into the hands of the therapist at the moment of a camera flash, followed by an intense vibration in his back. Robert does not wish the implant to be removed.
Examination of Robert L.’s implant. Volunteer to ET project, Robert L. “Once we have made enough progress to go to the moon, Mars and further, we must go with an open mind, with no desire to conquer. The Guide told me that we would be under surveillance. That if aggressive ideas germinate in the minds of astronauts, they’ll be prevented from carrying out their plan. ‘You must come in peace, with sincerity, honesty, and humility. If not, we will stop you.’
All the conversations we had at the base come back to me. We have a long road in front of us before we can liberate ourselves from enslavement, big or small. Of course, we mustn’t reject everything; we need to keep what seems good to us. We won’t change our mode of thinking so easily, which is often egotistical and egocentric. UFO research is a good thing. The overall mentality and opinions on the subject are changing rapidly. The arcane secrets are beginning to open up gradually. It’s better to go slowly and go far. When the majority of the planet is ready, there could be a possibility of encounter. The Guide’s word."